originally posted by: lordcomac
originally posted by: redhorse
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Planette
They still taste good. What's wrong with horse meat?
Why are you discriminating against horses?
Also, name one religion that forbids eating horses.
I don't have anything against eating horse, per se but...
I have horses and I will say that a lot of the vaccinations and dewormers we give them on the regular say right on them DO NOT USE ON ANIMALS INTENDED
FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION (in big capital letters like that).
I promise you, the stuff they inject into and feed cattle is worse- because it's cheaper.
horse meat makes more sense- you can work a horse, you can ride a horse. a horse can give your family years of service before it becomes meat. cattle
can't do # all.
our species didn't become the predominant planet destroyers we are by protecting animal rights... what kind of spoiled piece of # gets offended when
their food was too useful before it became food?
if anything, we should be up in arms about beef. what an awful industry- at least horses get to work before they die. they're practically built for
you think cows enjoy living in cages, feeding on corn, and being pumped full of hormones so they produce more profitable milk?
go outside and work for a day. it feels good.
cubicle life is the human version of cattle- horses work for a living. who suffers less?
Well maybe. I don't know what they inject cattle with. It probably is cheaper, and it might be worse. I don't know. I take it by your location you
live in or near Uffington (?) and I'm in the US, so there may be a difference there, if that's the case.
I don't even know what it is in those vaccinations and dewormers for horses that is so bad for humans. On another note, mares are often injected
with lutalyse to cause them to come into season and ovulate. It's really dramatic. You inject them and they fall down and shake and sweat for 20-30
minutes. That's probably not good either. I mean, there's just a bunch of things we give horses that I wouldn't want in the food supply, and most of
the horse meat that ends up on plates in the world comes from the US after the horses have been shipped to Mexico or Canada for slaughter. In short,
these horses that have had these injections and products may very well be the source of the meat.
I know cattle ranchers. I've helped them often. I have never seen a cow live some, all, or even most of it's life the way that you describe. Even on
the feed lot, which is relatively brief, before slaughter, although they do have far less room than they did before in their pastures, there aren't
any "cages". I can go down the road and show you pictures of fat, relaxed animals in pastures that encompass hundreds or even thousands of acres.
These are mostly beef cattle though. There are milk producers here and still, those cows spend most of their time on pasture, but they bring them in
twice a day for milking. While being milked, the cows stand in something that might look like a cage, but they are turned back out.
I don't know that much about cattle or dairy cows specifically, but I do know this much, happy cows produce more, better quality milk. Stressed cows
are prone to mastitis and any number of health issues that means their milk is useless. If anything, milk producers seem even more dedicated to and
bonded with their animals, as they get to know them and work with them closely on a daily basis. And to be perfectly honest, dairy cows have a better
temperament than beef cattle, generally speaking. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe there is a local culture here for keeping animals
this way instead of what you describe. I have never, EVER in all my life seen a cow kept in or living in a "cage".
I know that on the feedlot some of the feed they give cattle is partly made up of ground up cow bits that aren't suitable for the human food supply.
That's an issue. I think on the feedlots there is a lot of room for improvement, but for most cows, that is a rather short period of their life before
As far as horse meat, as I said, I don't have an issue with it. I've eaten it in Germany. I admit, I would have a hard time eating my horse though.
"Years of service" is one thing, but you do compromise your humanity if you can slaughter and eat a being who you know sees you as his protector and I
see as my friend. He's earned a retirement with health benefits when he's done working. Don't get me wrong, I have horses I could eat if I was
hungry, and some that I couldn't. I'm pretty comfortable with those individualized distinctions. I suppose that makes me a spoiled piece of #.
When working closely with animals, the ground where our obligation to them and their obligation to us lives is littered with moral sink holes. It's
inevitable and often complicated to navigate. I suppose, this very complexity in this dynamic defines the moral conundrum fueling veganism.
Listen though, there is a lot that I don't know about keeping horses and significantly more that I don't know about keeping cattle but the culture
that I was raised in centers around it. Their care and our dependence upon them is ubiquitous and implicit in the society. *Edited to add* And I
don't know anyone who keeps cattle the way that you describe.
edit on 21-1-2018 by redhorse because: (no reason given)