About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: audubon

If this guy was an amateur, he was going to a lot of effort to throw nobody in particular off his scent!

Or he was a professional who knew exactly what he was doing for his purposes...

Everything about Paddock fits the undercover Gman persona.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

We can now plainly see, Campos (whoever he is) is a real person and involved somehow. His real name might be different, but this individual was definitely there, and wasn't some fictional character (as some have alleged). There's absolutely NO way the official story would change in this dramatic of a fashion if this individual was not actually present. It simply does not follow in logic (any logic).

Because no one has ever pretended to be someone else for any reason???

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that within the next 72 hours, we hear about "new revelations" about how Jesus Campos heroically rescued this mysterious maintenance worker from certain death... and took a bullet in the leg for his efforts. All to not only bolster the existence of Jesus Campos, but to magnify his hero status... because how can anyone dare to challenge a real life hero???

By the Friday night news dump

a reply to: Boadicea

I actually see it differently...

I think the maintenance guy threatened to go public and forced the officials hand. I think the maintenance guy probably contacted his supervisor about what was going on, and this was never reported, and he threatened (with substantiating evidence) to go forward. Officials were left no choice but to revise the narrative as a result.

The maintenance guy was probably saying "Screw that! People are lying!" He probably showed up, either found Campos shot or saw him get shot, called it in on his radio, and it's documented...all BEFORE the shooting started. More importantly, if he did just that, other people on the radio heard it...so there are multiple witnesses...more than they can control. They were left no choice but to change the official story. Think about it, it's a MASSIVE change-up in the official story. This is game changing! Why? Why, when they could have just left it alone??? (because something forced them to do it, that's why).

Now the real question will become...Why didn't Campos himself report what was going on???

After all, he arrived first.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You may be right -- to one extent or another. I think something did go down with a security guard in the hall... I think he was killed in a shootout with police on the 35th floor just as the Aussie guy claims.... and that the entire floor was a horrific crime scene, just as claimed. And I'll bet there was a "maintenance worker" of some kind involved as well.

Something happened, no doubt. But whatever story they're concocting isn't the truth -- much less the whole truth.

We'll see what happens together... By the Friday night dump...

If not, I will admit I was wrong and apologize for the whole world to see! I just wrote down the page number of this post so I can find it again Friday night

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Boadicea

I actually see it differently...

I think the maintenance guy threatened to go public and forced the officials hand. I think the maintenance guy probably contacted his supervisor about what was going on, and this was never reported, and he threatened (with substantiating evidence) to go forward. Officials were left no choice but to revise the narrative as a result.

The maintenance guy was probably saying "Screw that! People are lying!" He probably showed up, either found Campos shot or saw him get shot, called it in on his radio, and it's documented...all BEFORE the shooting started. More importantly, if he did just that, other people on the radio heard it...so there are multiple witnesses...more than they can control. They were left no choice but to change the official story. Think about it, it's a MASSIVE change-up in the official story. This is game changing! Why? Why, when they could have just left it alone??? (because something forced them to do it, that's why).

Now the real question will become...Why didn't Campos himself report what was going on???

After all, he arrived first.

You're right. They wouldn't rearrange the timeline this drastically unless something is forcing them to. Here's a theory:
Let's say this was an Fast & Furious-type sting that went badly wrong. Campos was an undercover agent who was supposed to be Paddock's backup. (Obviously, he is not unarmed in this scenario.) When things blow up, he gets wounded in the same exchange that killed Paddock, but he managed to get away. The killers stage the massacre and then leave.

In the immediate aftermath, the Feds panic and decide to hide their involvement in this unmitigated cluster#. They decide to throw Paddock under the bus and name him the shooter (he's dead, so he can't complain), and decide that Campos will be the guy who stopped him. The maintenance worker refusing to keep silent is unraveling this story (not that it was holding together well to begin with), forcing them to admit that Campos was wounded well before the shooting, not at the end.

a reply to: Boadicea

I guess I missed this 'aussie guy' story about the 35th floor. Can you point me in that direction?

a reply to: IAMTAT

When was this maintenance guy added to the narrative and why does everyone think he has info he has threatened to leak? Just trying to get updated while swamped at work...

a reply to: Boadicea

We need to know more about Brian Hodges who says he was in room 134 connecting 135. Hodges is an Australian so is Marilou passport, picture in link.

A QUEENSLAND man on holiday with a group of friends in Las Vegas has spoken about the terrifying moment he realised the hotel he was gaming in was at the centre of a bloody attack.

www.couriermail.com.au...

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Boadicea

I guess I missed this 'aussie guy' story about the 35th floor. Can you point me in that direction?

Sure! Las Vegas shooting: Queensland eyewitness to Mandalay attack

This was posted on Tuesday, about 2:00 p.m. Australia time. It has since been re-posted by U.S. websites, like the Daily Sheeple and True Pundit. I actually found it because of a Politifact check article claiming it "pants on fire." (I don't believe them). Anyway, there it is.

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: IAMTAT

When was this maintenance guy added to the narrative and why does everyone think he has info he has threatened to leak? Just trying to get updated while swamped at work...

The maintenance guy was added yesterday afternoon during a press conference with the Sheriff in Vegas, along with changing the official timeline to the security guard being shot BEFORE the shooting on the concert, instead of after.

For the most part, folks are speculating on why the official narrative suddenly added a whole new witness/victim to their official story...

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: Boadicea

We need to know more about Brian Hodges who says he was in room 134 connecting 135. Hodges is an Australian so is Marilou passport, picture in link.

A QUEENSLAND man on holiday with a group of friends in Las Vegas has spoken about the terrifying moment he realised the hotel he was gaming in was at the centre of a bloody attack.

www.couriermail.com.au...

Yes, we do need to know more about this guy. But I think someone's trying very hard to make sure we don't... and are doing everything they can to discredit and debunk his story... hence the re-written timeline. This Hodges told this story pretty much immediately. Either he's a total lying liar looking for his 15 minutes of fame OR he's the most honest of all!

FYI: This is the witness account of an Aussie man who claims he was staying in 32-134 -- right next door to the gunman's suite... presumably the adjoining rooms Paddock supposedly reserved along with his suite:

Another Australian man staying at the Mandalay Bay Resort has spoken about his close call with the Las Vegas gunman - claiming he launched his murderous attack from the room next door.

Australian Brian Hodge, who previously worked at Jupiters Casino on the Gold Coast, claimed he was staying in the room next to the shooter on level 32 at the Las Vegas resort.

He said he managed to escape the initial horrific scenes inside the hotel but found himself forced to hide in a bush for several hours after the event.

“I got outside safely and was hiding in bushes,” Mr Hodge said.

“There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us.

“We were hiding in the bushes outside waiting for the police.” Mr Hodge said he was staying in room 32134 while the gunman was in room 32135.

“It was a machine gun from the room next to me,” he said.

“My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor.”

Las Vegas shooting: Queensland eyewitness to Mandalay attack

I do believe the whole security guard/Jesus Campos/maintenance worker story is being concocted in direct response to this man's account. There are too many overlapping details and people for it not to be related.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Boadicea

I guess I missed this 'aussie guy' story about the 35th floor. Can you point me in that direction?

I posted a link in another thread to one. But it seems the article was changed and his story has drifted a bit.

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I don't think the name Paddock is real.
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Name "PADDOCK" is derived from area where horses are trained and exercised . Bars and restaurants are often named
Paddock - especially those near race tracks

Went to online phone directory and typed in name PADDOCK

Got 17 hits in Reno NV

None of them for shooter , but may have been unlisted

Paddock is a fairly common name

Maybe he planned to kill and rum but after his rage ended, he felt some type of remorse and killed himself. All I can figure.

a reply to: MamaJ

Most likely exhaustion . Guy was 64 and in failing health Did not look like gym rat, so must have been in poor shape

Exertion required to fire off all those rounds and run around suite from different windows, checking doors, etc
took a lot out of shooter

Was probably resting up for phase 2 (resume shooting?, escape & evasion?) when cops showed up . Likely never know

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

More likely correlating interviews from all the staff at Mandalay Bay, along with video evidence and reports from LVPD

Must be hundreds of employees who work there

Think of all the effort and man hours involved to track down ALL the staff at Mandalay BAY and get them to come in
for interviews

Take what they said and compare it with all the other evidence . Some of stuff may be wrong especially in time

Have to synchronize and verify with hard evidence from video and other sources

Can understand why took week to start sorting this out

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: Krakatoa
I ask because he did have 1000 of those he did not use. And the fact the jet fuel tanks were hit, it is plausible he tried to penetrate them to cause a breach and fuel leakage. Then use the tracers in a feeble attempt at igniting that leaked fuel. In addition, if the fuel did leak, he would get even more panic of people running back into his lie of fire towards the hotel.

Either that, or he had planned to put one or two tracers near the end of each mag to indicate it was about to run out. That keeps a round in the chamber when switching to a new mag.

Is there any footage of tracers being fired because I haven't seen it.
It's standard practice to put 1 tracer in every 5 or 10 bullets (not sure) in a belt fed machine gun to follow the firing pattern. M240 has a very distinct firing rhythm that many ex military have stated as hearing being fired.

I know at least a few different sources said he tried to buy tracer rounds but was unsuccessful.

Once again the story changes and YES! He bought 1,000 rounds of tracer according to the FBLIE.

No new info here... no speculation about Paddock being the actual killer, just speculation about Paddock being a government agent:

Was Vegas an FBI sting gone bad?

It is terrible to contemplate, but the possibility that Stephen Paddock was an undercover federal operative or informant cannot be ruled out. He may have been set up or used by ISIS and/or a federal agency in a scheme that backfired.

Perhaps he was a "lone wolf" who somehow "snapped." But his arsenal, designed for a small terrorist army, and his "secret life" have led to speculation Paddock was part of a gun-running and bomb-making operation similar to the federal Fast and Furious scandal in the Obama Administration.

But if so, something went dramatically wrong. Either way, if he was an operative or not, he was able to assemble a small arsenal of weapons in a hotel room. Didn't anybody notice? Or was he being protected by authorities who thought they were going to nab members of a terrorist cell?

The fact that there were scopes on both weapons is still an issue to me.

Is there any way one can determine who the first one or two people were that got killed in the crowd?

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Once again the story changes and YES! He bought 1,000 rounds of tracer according to the FBLIE.

Whoa! Everything I've read said that he tried to purchase the tracer rounds but the dealer didn't have any... do you recall where you read this? Can you point me in the right direction? I'm trying, but not finding anything...