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posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: butcherguy

Trump is taking this personally. That's the only reason he's involved himself.



So what was your position every time Obama weighed in on something like the cause of Beer Summit where the police "acted stupidly" and other events like it?

Was he or was he not taking it personally too?


Yeah. Because Obama was an attention seeking bigot trying to start a race war.


He was incredibly divisive and also looked to exacerbate racial tensions.

He is also directly responsible for the rise of Trump.




posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

One could go further and add that fans don't go to stadiums to see the anthem at all, but to watch an athletic competition.

Remove the anthem before sporting events and this goes away instantly. I don't even know why the pageantry is necessary to start a sporting event.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: Christosterone

We need a Saudi Arabia American Liberal snowflake Student exchange program. Teach the messed up generation to love and admonish their servitude, with added cultural benefits.
edit on 29-9-2017 by ADSE255 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: FraggleRock

If the NFL takes the anthem out now, put a fork into them. They would be done.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

You know what, my phrasing was bad and I agree. The optics of removing the anthem now would be bad. But it's something that they could have done years ago. And it's something that could be done in the future.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: butcherguy

Trump is taking this personally. That's the only reason he's involved himself.



So what was your position every time Obama weighed in on something like the cause of Beer Summit where the police "acted stupidly" and other events like it?

Was he or was he not taking it personally too?


Yeah. Because Obama was an attention seeking bigot trying to start a race war.


He was incredibly divisive and also looked to exacerbate racial tensions.

He is also directly responsible for the rise of Trump.


Hey!! The Republicans and their ineptitude gets a nod for Trump as well, Bro.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: butcherguy

Trump is taking this personally. That's the only reason he's involved himself.



So what was your position every time Obama weighed in on something like the cause of Beer Summit where the police "acted stupidly" and other events like it?

Was he or was he not taking it personally too?


Yeah. Because Obama was an attention seeking bigot trying to start a race war.


He was incredibly divisive and also looked to exacerbate racial tensions.

He is also directly responsible for the rise of Trump.


he was but hillary, the dnc, and hollyweird knocked it out of the park for trump



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: FraggleRock

One could say that people don't go to the Kentucky Derby to her than play "My Old Kentucky Home" prior to post either, but it's part of the tradition of the event. To take it away because some people get disgruntled over it would be to alter the character of something that has been the way it has been for over 100 runnings.

But hey, kids today don't appreciate tradition or what it means anymore.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

Let's be plain.

Hillary would have ensured the victory of a can of moldy chicken soup.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
Yeah it may be 80% but of what sampling? You know who posts mostly? Pissed off people. The silent multitude that are OK with it or don't care dont bother


I think 80% of ATS posts are not HAPPY posts either, are they?



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Not a kid but tradition is overrated.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: intrepid
Yeah it may be 80% but of what sampling? You know who posts mostly? Pissed off people. The silent multitude that are OK with it or don't care dont bother


You could be right! Yet the sheer volume of it is the point I was making. There is one heck of a lot of pissed off people out there.


That's why the NFL discussed it at their meeting. And seems they have come to the conclusion they need to give players an alternative way to protest. The NBA flat out said all players will stand for the anthem. So things are chasing rapidly as advertisers are pulling out or requesting refunds. If I had to guess this is an issue with at least 50 percent of people. MeanING the NFL is going to change this it hurts their pocket book.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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More scientific polling shows a pretty even split on taking a knee:
48% - respectful
46% - not respectful

On the other hand, when it comes to Trump's tantrum:
60% - Boo Trump
30% - Yea Trump

www.pbs.org...

The demographic breakdowns for the poll aren't surprising.
edit on 9/29/2017 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
More scientific polling shows a pretty even split on taking a knee:
48% - respectful
46% - not respectful

On the other hand, when it comes to Trump's tantrum:
60% - Boo Trump
30% - Yea Trump

www.pbs.org...

The demographic breakdowns for the poll aren't surprising.


Agreed not surprising. Not trusted either.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr


That's about how I see it, as well.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

I was talking about the demographic breakdowns.

For example.

Republicans:
9% - Respectful
88% - Not respectful.

Democrats
82% - Respectful
14% - Not respectful

Seems reasonable. Lends credence.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: nwtrucker

I was talking about the demographic breakdowns.

For example.

Republicans:
9% - Respectful
88% - Not respectful.

Democrats
82% - Respectful
14% - Not respectful

Seems reasonable. Lends credence.




Ah, I see. Seems right, then.



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
At a guess, over 80% of the posters. Yes, there were those still completely loyal to their team and I'm sure some will use their tickets having already invested in season tickets.

The 12th man phenomena of Seattle has many 1,000s on the waiting list for season tickets and I'd be surprised if there is any shortage of people willing to pick up the slack, especially if things cool down after a while. However, I'm struck by the sheer volume of reproach on the net.

Haves and Have Nots.

The most POd will naturally be the folks who stand to lose nothing in their investment. Fans are fans. Virtue Signalers are ...



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: FraggleRock
a reply to: ketsuko

Not a kid but tradition is overrated.


Tradition is what knits a people together and gives them a sense of who they are.

I understand that certain forces in the country want to destroy tradition because without roots, you are groundless and have nothing and no one to cling to and give you a sense of self. Without that, you turn to the most obvious source of strength and power which would then be government. For a government looking to consolidate power inside itself, that's a win.

Of course, without a social fabric held together with tradition, we become a chaotic, ungovernable mess too, but we see that at work in some quarters already don't we?



posted on Sep, 29 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: Snarl


I suppose. There are less 'fans' than there was., however.







 
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