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Something is wrong with your bloody ships.

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

I think the USA needs to give back control if the seas to the UK until thecUSN can learn how to steer




posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: cheesyleps

Why this is true and actually the way it's supposed to work, and rightfully so for the reason you gave. However Senior enlisted are where the real experience is, if they are not stepping up, speaking up or taking ownership of the ship and junior enlisted, it doesn't matter how good the officer is he/she will be ineffective. the navy is a bit of a special branch of the service in that honestly rank matters little, but teamwork matters greatly.. nonone man can even direct a ship let alone run it. Chiefs are the directors, when they are the best even weak officers will thrive. Problem is if you follow the Navy is the Chiefs and senior enlisted are being undermined, and walking on egg shells. Even in civilian world, non degreed people are treated as second class citizens. Its one thing to say the O is ultimately responsible, another completely to say shut up, the O is only one who knows what they are talking about. Because even in seamanship for example, an O doesn't have # on a E-6 and above boatswainmate. Junior officers (LT and below) traditionally have had very small roles on ships, they're first tour or two are typically spent getting watch qualifications and learning the ship.. in recent years however they have taken on more leadership roles and undermining senior enlisted roles.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

The US has a bigger more advanced navy than everyone else combined..



Bigger yes, not nessasary more advanced.

Britain, Sweden and France are ahead in destroyer design and Britain have the most advanced subs.

US leads on aircraft carrier design.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: SprocketUK

I was just throwing out example numbers..

I've seen them but not recently enough to remember them by heart, but the numbers are just crazy mismatched..

The US literally has a better navy than everyone else put together.. not an exaggeration..





It doesn't matter how many ships you have.
If they are being sailed badly, its all too possible that one of the carriers will lose a portion of it's missile screen and that would potentially result in the loss of the carrier which would be a hammer blow to that squadron.


Spanish found that out twice, first with the Spanish armada and secound at trafalgar when a superior spanish (and french in trafalgar case) fleet with bigger more suppior ships meet a smaller and better trained British fleet.....
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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edit on 21-8-2017 by swimmer15 because: Deleted, double post



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: Plotus
Dude, you riding on the wrong side of the road....


I think there is something afoot with these Tankers intentionally causing these


Navigation could be hacked.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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My lil Garmin Radar has proximity alarm on my lil fishing boat...



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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Strange!
under Obama No ships crashing Reported!
no we have Four in a short time.
obama would not care at the end!



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: cheesyleps

That could, indeed, be the case, which makes it even worse, in my not so humble opinion.

It's not the officers that make the crew look good. Quite the opposite, though ideally, it should work both ways together.

When I was a supervisor, I made damned sure everyone could do everything as necessary. Doesn't mean you would necessarily do that job, but you'd know how. People get sick. People leave. If no one else knows how to do that job, you're kinda screwed.

The more technologically demanding the job, the more necessary this cross training would seem to be, in my, again, not so humble opinion. That's where your master chiefs and sergeants come into play. If they're any good at their jobs, they know who fits in best and where they might be useful. A junior officer just out of the academy can't know that, because they have no reference/experiences.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: buddha

Obama created a climate that undermined the entire Military structure. Not strange at all that stupid mistakes are seemingly commonplace in an team environment that's all about "me".



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: SprocketUK
The US navy could squash ALL the rest of the worlds navy's in an afternoon..


If recent events are anything to go by, squashing other ships is what they are best at

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: Bhadhidar

60 Minutes just showed a few of them last night. Autonomous trimaran vessels. Quite small, completely unmanned.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: Xeven
My lil Garmin Radar has proximity alarm on my lil fishing boat...


Navy conducts “Hack-Our-Ship” cybersecurity event
BY KATHERINE OWENSMAR 13, 2017


Hack-Our-Ship, also called “Hack-the-Machine,” took place from February 17th to February 19th and was the result of the joint efforts of Booz Allen Hamilton, U.S. Navy’s Naval Post Graduate School (NPS), Defense Innovation Unit Experimental. The challenge: to hack into Booz Allen’s “Boat in a Box,” a complex software system designed to simulate the systems that are used to control Navy fleets. The “Boat in a Box” software contains various communication interfaces used at sea, including the automatic recognition systems that are used to prevent collisions and weather satellite radio systems.

defensesystems.com...




China Jamming US Forces' GPS The Spratly Islands are of economic and strategic importance. All of the countries in the region - including China…rntfnd.org




Ships fooled in GPS spoofing attack suggest Russian cyberweapon Reports of satellite navigation problems in the Black Sea suggest that Russia may be testing a new system for spoofing…www.newscientist.com

www.realcleardefense.com...
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: cheesyleps

You need to post more in these threads!

Thanks for actually bringing links and insight, instead of a meaningless one-liner.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: SeaWorthy

GPS spoofing is one reason that loran is being brought back into service.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: essentialtremors
a reply to: cheesyleps

You need to post more in these threads!

Thanks for actually bringing links and insight, instead of a meaningless one-liner.


Thank you and you are welcome. Once in a blue moon something comes up that actually coincides with your specialist area of knowledge. My post history is mostly related to ships, navigation and astronomy as those are the areas I can actually contribute at a level that may be of interest to others. I'm not really one for simply expressing my opinion on a subjective topic. To be honest, I've not been around much for the past year. The forum as a whole seems to have become too political in the build-up and wake of the Trump election.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:43 PM
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Whoever is driving these navy boats needs to think seriously about retiring.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: swimmer15

Again, I think some of this is probably a cultural/organisational difference. My background is primarily merchant shipping but once I came ashore I did a lot of work in navigation simulation training which included spending a fair bit of time working with the Royal Navy training establishments on their simulator courses.

Whilst I agree that no officer (junior OR senior) should ever underestimate the skill and experience of his petty officers, the fact of the matter is that on the bridge of a Royal Navy vessel (or any Merchant vessel) the buck stops with the Officer of the Watch; regardless of whether that is a fresh-faced Lieutenant (or 3rd Mate) or an experienced specialist navigator wearing a Lt.Cdr/Cdr rank (or the Chief Officer on a merchant ship). The petty officers are there to support and guide the junior officers but the responsibility lies with the officer. The best petty officers enjoy fostering that informal mentor/mentee relationship with their junior officers. The best junior officers know when it is the right time to ignore them.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: cheesyleps

You are correct, we operate very similar. I was replying to the lack of training comment made by a junior officer. Most of a junior officers training comes from obtaining watch qualifications on the ship and the mentoring they receive from senior enlisted. Was just stating the role of senior enlisted has deminished and has been undermined greatly in recent years, the relationship between senior enlisted and Junior officers have also deminished greatly.
As for watchkeeping officers generally only stand EOOW (engineers sometimes but not often and officers getting swo quall), Combat systems officer of the watch (same deal Ops boss and those guys rarely but sometimes if watchbill is thin but lots JO's getting ask qual, OOD same deal JO's getting swo. The three most important watches are filled by senior enlisted and very Junior officers typically.. once swo qualified officers only go on watchbill if needed
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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

Still better than anything in that genocidal midget Queen's fleet. At least our ships are out in the blue water navigating. Once is an accident and twice something more sinister or procedural is going on. My money is on a lack of training due to sequestration. The NY Post seems to think that the Navy isn't ruling out a hack.



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