How many are in the group? I stopped watching because the guy was stupid and uninteresting and it didn't look like anything else was going down.
If it was the handful from before, I don't think it would be reasonable to paint hundreds of other people with they're BS. I'm also going to guess
that they're just posturing for the Internet.
Are you going to argue that a group of say... 95% peaceful protesters and 5% hooligans is the same as one that is 95% hooligans and 5% peaceful
I can understand the need to push aside distinctions, as in you or I saying that everyone should denounce political violence but don't you think that
context matters? In the context of a horde of armed neo-Nazis invading a town and one of their numbers killing a person and wounding many others, some
critically — if you're the President — it's an effing gimmie. It's a no brainer. Particularly for a president who never addressing the public with
nuanced comments on *anything* much less "waits for the facts" as blurted out.
All he had to do was come out like he would about a terrorist attack from Islamic terrorists. I mean, let an Islamic terrorists run over people in
SPAIN and he's got an opinion in an hour and he's spreading disinfo about dipping bullet in pig's blood which is what? You tell me why he shared that
myth? He did it because of course, it's *pig's blood* and every slackjawed clown on Facebook has made some joke about Muslims an pork. Do you think
American Muslims are all, "Yes! The President is so great! You know we Muslims have that pork 'thing,' amirite? Lulz!"
Just unnecessary dog whistling that's potentially, and needlessly offensive to millions of innocent American Muslims.
But Nazis? He couldn't just come out strong against a group of *hundreds* of armed neo-Nazis? He had to choose *that* moment to virtue signal about
the "alt-left" — not to mention straight up lie about the events of Friday night?
Why? And why are you still trying to defend it?
And another thing. Since we're going to go down this road again. For MONTHS some of the very same groups have been battling in the streets with Antifa
on the West Coast. (actually they've been doing it in one form or another for far far longer)
All we've heard from the right, including the President, is about the Antifa and often, they use Antifa to discredit millions of other perfectly
peaceful, everyday Americans who protest. How many threads about "bike-lock guy" alone are there on ATS? How many threads about the people on other
side? And when they are referenced at all, the neo-Nazis and their friends are portrayed as innocent "Trump supporters" or "heroes protecting Trump
supporters" or some other horses#.
Only now, when it's a horde of (dare I say Trump supporting?) neo-Nazis and one of them kills somebody, does nuance become important? No. That's
I want you to see something. This is from Berkeley in April. What's the title? "Berkeley Anti Fa gets CHARGED by TRUMP SUPPORTERS!! *NEW*"
Notice that one group is plainly (and enthusiastically) described as "TRUMP SUPPORTERS!!" These groups also often also called "based patriots" or
"based Trump supporters" or any combination of that. First notice the setup. "After hours of being harassed by Antifa, the Trump supporters blah
Now watch what happens at 00:25. See that girl get punched in the face? Instant hit with the /pol/ and /The_Donald/ crowd. They actually set about
identifying and doxxing her. Then they flood YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, forums, etc with a bunch of cheerleading because that Antifa chick got hit in
the face! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Meanwhile, how many people on the right will ever stop to wonder who this man who just sucker punched this woman in the face was?
Turns out, that is Nathan Damigo, the founder of Identity Evropa.
Now notice the 2nd person to his right in the first picture. That's Kyle "Based Stickman" Chapman of the Proud Boys. He's at every one of these
events. Because he's a thug and political violence is his entertainment. There are Trump supporters on ATS who have memes made of him as their avatar.
He's extremely popular with a certain group of Trump supporters.
The "Battle of Berkeley" were clashes that happened over days where folks like neo-Nazi barbie Brittany
Pettibone (who has 92k followers) — an actual Alt-Righter — were invited to speak. Why? To set the stage for these epic street battles.
None of that ever gets mentioned. It's always, "look at the violent leftists!"
Now all of sudden it's a time for nuance? Where's all that been while Trump supporters have not only been smearing the entire Left with anarchists who
don't even vote and blabber about Soros but many of them, quite a few of them in these very forums, have been venerating and lionizing the "other
side" that is made up of equally violent thugs, a decent percentage of whom are neo-Nazis?
Antifa = OMG THE VIOLENT LEFT IS DESTROYING THE COUNTRY.
neo-Nazis = BOOM! Base patriot Trump supporters SMASH Antifa TRASH!
For months. Months of this. Now the emboldened "base Patriot Trump supporters" take the show on the road to Charlottesville, are met with (as far as
I've seen), a very small number of Antifa, one of them MURDERS somebody and injures many more and NOW it's time for "both sides?"
The cold hard reality is that when it comes to political violence? Most on the Left, particular those of us who do things like vote, don't support
Antifa, much less openly. In fact, we spend a lot of time being beaten over the head with them. On the other side, the equally "bad hombres" (or
arguably worse, because f it, if it comes down to it, I'll throw my lot in with anarchists over Nazis any day) are treated as heroes.
Now all of sudden it's both sides are bad. Ugh. Time to order Chinese food and roll one up. Lmao.
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Hmm, did anarchist chick in black participate in the mob that assaulted unabated the Trump supporters?? Then she got her just desserts when they
finally defended themselves against the relentless harassing and physical contact as well as chemical attacks.
It do not matter if it was a fake Nazi, a real one, a black panther or even an Iran supporter. If those individuals are demonstrating without
committing acts of violence, there is not justification to use violence on them. But everyone and anyone is justified in using force to defend
themselves from physical harm regardless of who they associate with.
Nobody likes pedo's right? No way, not a single soul even in hell probably. But if you attack one unprovoked, and he defends himself, he is not in the
wrong regardless of his beliefs. ugh, I think I threw up a little writing that .... but its still true.
Well, assuming the white supremacists were actually planning to show up, I'd call this a smashing success. A diverse group of people got together for
a common cause to fight against hate, had a great time, celebrated, danced, no one got hurt or arrested (I think there was actually one arrest for
failure to disperse) and dispersed peacefully.
Quote from police chief Davis:
“The Durham Police Department respects our residents’ right to peacefully assemble and exercise their First Amendment right and we appreciate
those who adhered to those values today,” said police chief C.J. Davis.
“I want to thank our DPD officers, the Durham County Sheriff’s deputies, the N.C. Highway Patrol, and multiple other public safety partners who
ensured participants and observers remained safe during today’s events.”
No. They lead to actions. Screaming 'F the Police' and talking about how people in prison should be released. Yelling to the police that they are
'hand in hand with the Klan'? It takes one person to go to far and do something that cannot be taken back.
BTW - Words are actions according to he police. They could charge them all with battery for yelling what they were.
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