Charlottesville VA Stuck Hosting (Arguably) Largest Hate Rally In Decades

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Do away with Nazis & White Supremacists? Yes. Of course yes. This country fought horrific devastating wars to rid itself of this kind of evil.

History already taught us this lesson.

Who deems what is Nazi, or what is White Supremacy? Many things that are fact have been stated in the last couple of days, but were deemed "Nazi", just because the other side didn't like it. Or even if not fact, but just a differing opinion, the other side can claim "Nazi" and then "do away" with the person. And what exactly do you mean by "do away with", murder?

Members of my family died in WWII fighting the White nationalist Nazi sucm. You ok with this in America? Where will it end?

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: skyturnedgrey

Funny the left squawks about this, when Black Lives matter holds rallies excluding whites.

So, two wrongs make a right?

I prefer peaceful protests over riots and hurting innocent civilians. Yeah i'm such a monster. Seriously that's all you can come up with?

My god come down off the cross. Most of us prefer peaceful protests. Most of us do not support political violence from any group.

Who's even talking to you? Do you take everything you read in a public forum personally?

To clarify my position: political violence is always wrong. Black, white, gay, straight, conservative, liberal, any other false dichotomy that tickles your fancy.

You lie..you NEVER denounce the lunatic left when they tear our world into shreds because you have been told and ARE ONE OF THEM...you believe we white straights still need lessons and it is going to be the entire end for all and soon if you do not wakeup.

Your proud display of your true colors is exactly why I do agree with allowing the nazis to utilize their free speech; if you were better versed in your rights you'd also you you didn't have to incriminate yourselves, but you do so readily.

a reply to: olaru12

A Little correction, white nationalism and Nazism are two different ideologies.

a reply to: olaru12

WE got that, but YOU don't want to know what it would be.
It would mean a lot of noise witch would make me mad.
My father fought them too ,they are FUN to kick out of our gun shows in town,the MOMENT they show up with an overt presence.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Do away with Nazis & White Supremacists? Yes. Of course yes. This country fought horrific devastating wars to rid itself of this kind of evil.

History already taught us this lesson.

Who deems what is Nazi, or what is White Supremacy? Many things that are fact have been stated in the last couple of days, but were deemed "Nazi", just because the other side didn't like it. Or even if not fact, but just a differing opinion, the other side can claim "Nazi" and then "do away" with the person. And what exactly do you mean by "do away with", murder?

Members of my family died in WWII fighting the White nationalist Nazi sucm. You ok with this in America? Where will it end?

Of course I don't like Nazism, I think hating someone based on something as arbitrary as the color of their skin is beyond ridiculous. And I certainly don't believe in white supremacy, hell Asians are more successful in America than whites, clearly whites aren't some master race. I just feel like it is going down a very slippery slope to deny someone their rights because you disagree with their politics. And when the term "Nazi" gets thrown around so casually, especially towards a political opponent that you disagree with, it can lead to a very dangerous situation. Let people have their views, and if they break the law, then arrest them.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: skyturnedgrey

Charlottesville VA Stuck Hosting (Arguably) Largest Hate Rally In Decades

Arguably being the operative word. Here are 3 contenders for 'largest hate rally in decades'

1. Hillary Clintons speech at the October 9th 2016 fundraiser in New York City was by far the largest hate-rally ever. She called 60+ million yanks as belonging in a 'basket of deplorables' because they were Trump supporters. Not long thereafter (and before), many pro-Trump supporters were violently attacked by Clinton-aligned retards who clearly took her speech as a green-light to bigot the hell out of anything Trump.

2. Berkeley University and the bike-lock brigade - riots due to extreme bigotry towards right-leaning political opinions.

3. Any BLM rally or march

Why is it so hard to condemn neo-Nazis? I don't get it. It's a no brainer.

Q. Do you support neo-Nazi scum?
A. No. F# no.

Hell, even Cernovich kicked his buddy BakedAlaska out of the clique for his Nazi shenanigans. Not because Cernovich has a moral center of course but because it was embarrassing to the group.

Oh wait, just checked Cernovich's Twitter feed, he's deflecting with finger pointing elsewhere too. Nice to see "conservatives" denouncing neo-Nazis anyone but neo-effing-Nazis. At what point do these egregious deflection campaigns constitute de facto support?

a reply to: theantediluvian

I'm not trying to convince anything. Not one bit. I denouce Nazis, the KKK and violence but I am still a racist because I am white according to the media. However, if I denounce BLM I am racist. Can you explain why?

Unicorn Riot? LOL...you have got to be kidding? Yeah, the tikis were extinguisned by 10:30 that evening, no buildings or cars were burnt to the ground either. What an out of control situation....

a reply to: matafuchs

I am white. I don't feel like a racist? I'm watching the same media as you. I guess my question is why do you still feel like you're labeled a racist simply because you're white?

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: theantediluvian

I'm not trying to convince anything. Not one bit. I denouce Nazis, the KKK and violence but I am still a racist because I am white according to the media. However, if I denounce BLM I am racist. Can you explain why?

Strange, I'm a white male and I don't at all feel that "I'm a racist according to the media." I'm not the least bit politically correct and I have never been called a racist or any other kind of bigot. Have you actually ever been called a racist or is that just something that right-wing media and propagandists tell you that you are being called implicitly?

Maybe that's the difference? The media I pay attention to doesn't tell me that I'm a racist while the media you're paying attention to tells you that everyone thinks you're a racist? Something to think about.

You can denounce BLM all you want. What you shouldn't do is do so based on misconceptions, false equivalence and frankly, being triggered — and I mean that in a non-snarky way. But hey, if you want to do it, I might tell you that you're wrong but I won't call you a racist.

a reply to: matafuchs

To me denouncing Blm isn't what's racist. Comparing blm to nazis is just simply out of the realm of reality. And that's what's sparks the racist comments. I don't think you're racist at all for denouncing blm if is based on the violence aspect at all. If you compare them to nazis, I take issue

a reply to: bknapple32
haha. Go show up without a poster on the other side just to watch. Be amazed at how quick you will get labeled if you are not already shouting out the chants of the communists or have a sign that says something similar.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

And when the term "Nazi" gets thrown around so casually, especially towards a political opponent that you disagree with, it can lead to a very dangerous situation.

From what I can see is that many in the Charlottesville demonstration were actually proud to be Nazi's...Nazi flags, Nazi salutes and chanting Nazi slogans. Even the guy that killed that woman and hurt all those people, was obsessed with being a Nazi.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Nah, these are actual neo-Nazis. To quote myself from another thread:

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: CulturalResilience

Some of these groups involved in the event are actual neo-Nazis. Vanguard America's website is bloodandsoil.org, they're the ones who initiated the "blood and soil" chant. Blood and soil is English for "blut und boden" which was a Nazi ideology and the slogan for it. Here you can see the Reich Minister of Food and Agriculture, Richard Walther Darré (also of the SS), speaking in front of the logo of the Ministry of Food and Agriculture which contains the slogan:

Vanguard America is part of the Nationalist Front (briefly The Aryan Nationalist Alliance until they realized that was a little too overtly Nazi for folks like you to deny). Other member groups of the Nationalist Front include the Traditionalist Worker Party, which is Matt Heimbach's group. Here you can see their logo:

Heimbach tries to downplay his s# when talking to reporters but he's a neo-Nazi. Here you can see him (circled on right) with members of the Aryan Terror Brigade (also part of the Nationalist Front but not listed on the NF webpage):

The biggest group to be part of the NF is almost certainly the Nationalist Socialist Movement. This is their founder/leader, Jeff Schoep, or as he likes to be called "Commander" Jeff Schoep:

Here you can see their flag circle in orange:

They have adopted a new logo since Donald Trump won, which features a rune in place of the swastika. I'm not sure how Heimbach, with his racist interpretation of Christianity, squares his supposed beliefs with partnering up with people who are using pagan symbols as part of a Germanic neopagan belief system — but hey, neo-Nazi scum find friends where they can I suppose.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

And when the term "Nazi" gets thrown around so casually, especially towards a political opponent that you disagree with, it can lead to a very dangerous situation.

From what I can see is that many in the Charlottesville demonstration were actually proud to be Nazi's...Nazi flags, Nazi salutes and chanting Nazi slogans. Even the guy that killed that woman was obsessed with being a Nazi.

a reply to: theantediluvian


Yeah, some there were neo-Nazis. And many who aren't neo-Nazis are called Nazis by political opponents because it is an easy (and false) way of shouting them down and discrediting them. For example, in another thread, a poster pointed out that African Americans have a higher % of crime per capita than whites. That is a totally factual, and non-Nazi statement, yet the poster was labeled a Nazi by another poster who didn't like those statistics.

a reply to: theantediluvian

It's not that hard. For most folks anyway.

Some just seem to have a hard time coming to grips with their "side" showing it's ass on a national level, and they retreat to extreme partisanship in an effort to refocus the conversation back to stuff "the other side" did at one point or another.

Which is a shame, seeing as most folks are capable of understanding the extreme doesn't represent the whole, whichever side it's on.

a reply to: bknapple32 and ante...

What media? Any media? Why do I feel like this? Because I had to have a talk with my son who is 11 recently because a child at his school called him a racist because he said he like Donald Trump. Where are those kids learning that? At home and on social media and TV shows and movies. I explained what racism is, what prejudice is and what ignorance is because they are 3 different things.

I know I am not racist. I am trying to explain how I am perceived as a white male in this country. Still waiting on my White privilege. College courses talking about how racist white people are. TV shows about how racist white people are. Songs about how racist white people are.

I have had racist friends. Had. They are ignorant. They were prejudicial. They truly were racist. They were black and white. Funny thought, never had a racist Asian friend but I guess in todays society saying that would be racist too.

Do you get the point now?

a reply to: luthier
Read your history better. It is not just politics. This ideology has been going on for a long while. Look at the macrocosm not the microcosm.

Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer, former teacher says

CHARLOTTESVILLE — A man accused of plowing a car into a crowd of protesters here — killing one person and leaving 19 injured — has long sympathized with Nazi views and had stood with a group of white supremacists hours before Saturday’s bloody crash.

The accused driver, James Alex Fields Jr., 20, of Ohio, had espoused extremist ideals at least since high school, according to Derek Weimer, a history teacher.

Weimer said that he taught Fields during his junior and senior years at Randall K. Cooper High School in Kentucky. During a class called “America’s Modern Wars,” Weimer said that Fields wrote a deeply researched paper about the Nazi military during World War II.

“It was obvious that he had this fascination with Nazism and a big idolatry of Adolf Hitler,” Weimer said. “He had white supremacist views. He really believed in that stuff.”

Washington Post

First degree murder charges seem to be in order. Not buying the "he was scared" narrative. At all.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: yuppa
silencing a unpopular Opinion is just as bad as hate speech.

No, it's really not.

You are being hateful to someone who disagrees with you. yes it is.

"Disagree" as in which Firefly episode is the best? You'd be right.

"Disagree" as in you think that only people who look like you should be running the country and would like to see everybody else leave? You'd be wrong.


Please look into the groups who organized the Unite the Right rally. They are self-confessed white nationalists. We aren't talking about a gathering of free speech activists who don't like illegal immigration.

Did you know a BLACK MAN organized a part of it too? This was doen to Further the anti trump movement. Those "nazis" were paid protestors.

And SPEECh will never ever beat you up and kick you to death last i checked. And I detest the suggestion you are insinuating here. I dont have a color preference. I judge on actions not looks. The only people i want to leave are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. And last i checked they come in EVery color under the rainbow.

but dont even go there about me being a racist. Race is a social construct alone. Scientist say its a outdated way to classify different ethnicities because we are of the same biological family.
If anything "race" needs to be amended to Ethnicity worldwide to be factually correct.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Why would these people that you're concerned with being inappropriately labeled neo-Nazis (or "Nazis") at this rally want to "unite the right" with straight up neo-Nazi groups?

BTW, earlier I posted this picture of the driver of the car. It has been confirmed as genuine (here's the full pic):



He's dressed in the typical Vanguard America "uniform" (khakis with white polo). The shield he is holding is Vanguard America. The person two people to his left (our right), has a black hate bearing the Vanguard America logo. He appears to be the person in this image, Nazi saluting during the chant of the Nazi slogan, "blood and soil."



and of course, the black flag on the left is clearly a Vanguard America flag.

And if you need more proof, one of the driver's teachers was just giving a phone interview and he said that he was in fact, infatuated with Nazis.

Also take not of this guy's white polo:

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That's the symbol of Identity Evropa.

To reiterate my question:

Why would these people that you're concerned with being inappropriately labeled neo-Nazis (or "Nazis") at this rally want to "unite the right" with straight up neo-Nazi groups? Aren't they in fact declaring an affiliation?