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posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm not proud of my family history. But, I am an old woman now and people should know the deep secrets of racists hearts. They hurt their own too.



As you said, we learn from our mistakes. Honoring your family as well as acknowledging their mistakes are virtues, not faults.

At least, in my opinion.




posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Gryphon66

While you're desperately casting about for justifications for slavery ... you might want to check out your Bible.




Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:5, NIV


Jesus taught in the context of the time, so did Paul. The context of the time was the aforementioned Roman Empire. What was very, very exceedingly common during that time? Slavery. His purpose was not to upend the established social order, but to teach people how they must be toward one another within the context of that framework.

If you know much of anything about the Bible, you know this was why the Jews rejected Him. They expected a conquering hero King like David who would free them from the Roman Empire and restore the Kingdom of Judea and that's not what they got. So they are still looking for Messiah today.


How typical; when the horrors of your Book are pointed out, suddenly, it's not 100% the inspired Word of God ... it's a historical document.

At least we finally agree on that one point.



Christianity at that time in history was in zero position to do much of anything regarding the practices of Rome ect save getting feed to lions. Fast forward to 1860 america and the anti slavery movement and you will find the opposite to be true.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Gryphon66

While you're desperately casting about for justifications for slavery ... you might want to check out your Bible.




Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:5, NIV


Jesus taught in the context of the time, so did Paul. The context of the time was the aforementioned Roman Empire. What was very, very exceedingly common during that time? Slavery. His purpose was not to upend the established social order, but to teach people how they must be toward one another within the context of that framework.

If you know much of anything about the Bible, you know this was why the Jews rejected Him. They expected a conquering hero King like David who would free them from the Roman Empire and restore the Kingdom of Judea and that's not what they got. So they are still looking for Messiah today.


How typical; when the horrors of your Book are pointed out, suddenly, it's not 100% the inspired Word of God ... it's a historical document.

At least we finally agree on that one point.



Christianity at that time in history was in zero position to do much of anything regarding the practices of Rome ect save getting feed to lions. Fast forward to 1860 america and the anti slavery movement and you will find the opposite to be true.


You're speaking of history ... not the alleged 100% inspiration/authorship of the Bible by Gawd.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: ketsuko

OK but, here is the thing, those symbols are being employed for more than just a remainder of the past, and a lesson about history, they are being used as a lighting rod to foment war or subjection, again reference Dylan Roof.


Yeah, well, white supremacists have never really gone away. I don't think they ever really will go all the way away. Just like there will always be those small group of blacks who will hate other ethnic groups. It's a part of the human condition that you'll always have that group in any race I think.

Prior to these past 10 years or so, those groups have always been marginalized.

I think part of the problem is the big emphasis put on intersectionality and grievance as a part of culture. It rather puts an emphasis on the value of race for the sake of race, and not as a part of culture. And it plays up your unique pain as a part of your race for the sake of race.

Now every little group is a victim group with a grievance. Everything is about how this or that other group has wronged us in some way. It has brought all this to the forefront rather than letting it lie and perhaps continue to heal.

Yes, we will all have scars, but they should stay scars. Intersectionality and critical race theory have ripped it all wide open and it's all festering again. We're going backward rather than forward, and that's sad.

I don't want to end up back there.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

Slavery had already been made illegal in Europe long before 1860. What took us so long....

Fast forward to the illegals in boom towns across the sw for an answer.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Gryphon66

While you're desperately casting about for justifications for slavery ... you might want to check out your Bible.




Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:5, NIV


Jesus taught in the context of the time, so did Paul. The context of the time was the aforementioned Roman Empire. What was very, very exceedingly common during that time? Slavery. His purpose was not to upend the established social order, but to teach people how they must be toward one another within the context of that framework.

If you know much of anything about the Bible, you know this was why the Jews rejected Him. They expected a conquering hero King like David who would free them from the Roman Empire and restore the Kingdom of Judea and that's not what they got. So they are still looking for Messiah today.


How typical; when the horrors of your Book are pointed out, suddenly, it's not 100% the inspired Word of God ... it's a historical document.

At least we finally agree on that one point.



Christianity at that time in history was in zero position to do much of anything regarding the practices of Rome ect save getting feed to lions. Fast forward to 1860 america and the anti slavery movement and you will find the opposite to be true.


You're speaking of history ... not the alleged 100% inspiration/authorship of the Bible by Gawd.


Jesus's purpose was to correct people's relationship with God, not create a social rebellion against the Roman Empire.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

To use your analogy ... if the scar is "festering" it wasn't healed, merely concealed.

/shrug



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Gryphon66

While you're desperately casting about for justifications for slavery ... you might want to check out your Bible.




Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:5, NIV


Jesus taught in the context of the time, so did Paul. The context of the time was the aforementioned Roman Empire. What was very, very exceedingly common during that time? Slavery. His purpose was not to upend the established social order, but to teach people how they must be toward one another within the context of that framework.

If you know much of anything about the Bible, you know this was why the Jews rejected Him. They expected a conquering hero King like David who would free them from the Roman Empire and restore the Kingdom of Judea and that's not what they got. So they are still looking for Messiah today.


How typical; when the horrors of your Book are pointed out, suddenly, it's not 100% the inspired Word of God ... it's a historical document.

At least we finally agree on that one point.



Christianity at that time in history was in zero position to do much of anything regarding the practices of Rome ect save getting feed to lions. Fast forward to 1860 america and the anti slavery movement and you will find the opposite to be true.


You're speaking of history ... not the alleged 100% inspiration/authorship of the Bible by Gawd.


Jesus's purpose was to correct people's relationship with God, not create a social rebellion against the Roman Empire.


How wonderful that you can speak for Jesus! I'm stating that those who believe that the Bible is the 100% inspired word of God must accept that it promotes slavery.

All the other arguments are your own scarecrows to hang.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: testingtesting
Well it is good to know who the nazi sympathisers are on Ats. Great thread to find out.


I hope it's a wake-up call to Skeptic and the others who run this site. There's no denying that we've taken several steps away from "Deny Ignorance" and several steps towards Stormfront.

They either need to take a stand or just let themselves get lumped in with all the white nationalist forums.


Yeah, but Nazi's should be treated like S-class upstanding citizens.... we should ALL respect their unalienable rights and show them the same respect they showed to Russians, Gypsies, Jews, the mentally ill, and the list goes on, and on, and on, and on....

And remember, folks, if you disagree with Nazism.... if you don't like Nazism.... if you have absolutely no desire to partake in an ideology led by mass murderers and genocidal tyrants.... if you speak ill about Nazism and don't respect their Consitutional rights (like they will absolutely respect yours)..... you, too, are a Nazi.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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I knew this was coming. The left has become so radical using political correctness as its tool, it was surely going to cause the very extreme right to come out. The conservatives have become too quiet in the face of screeching liberals. The left has already become violent as in the USC Berkeley riots. What was to be expected ? You think the extreme right was going to sit idle ? This is the same type of situation that happened in Germany in the 1930's. The Hollywood Jewish left Marxists are causing trouble and using the dumbed down black population to do it. Now I am not accusing all Jewish people of being extreme left and Marxist. In Germany they were the ones pushing for Communism as they did in Russia in the early 1900's. The Bolshevik Revolution was its result for the Russians and it cost twenty million lives. It's no wonder extreme right wing elements in Germany came to the forefront to protect Germans. Truth can be hard to swallow sometimes. For myself it is true. I grew up in a Jewish family. When a duck is duck call it so.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: yuppa
silencing a unpopular Opinion is just as bad as hate speech.


No, it's really not.


You are being hateful to someone who disagrees with you. yes it is.


You clowns crack me up, honestly.

Go and try telling a Nazi that your Constitutional rights are being infringed because they're partaking in hate speech.

I'm sure Nazi's will back off and think to themselves, "Wow! We murdered 10+M people during our reign, we can't do that here! They have a Consitution!"

Because we ALL know Nazi's respect the law and Consitution lololololololol

ETA: people are right. This nation is a progressives wet dream.

If Nazism had popped up in today's world as opposed to in the 30's/40's, we wouldn't even invade them.

We'd be too busy reminding each other that it's even worse to silence the viewpoint of a mass-murdering terrorist than it is to allow them their reign of terror.

Crybabies whining about Nazi's not being treated equally in America in 2017.... go take your pity-party to social media so you sick, deranged losers can lose your jobs over affiliating with Nazism.
edit on 13-8-2017 by RomeByFire because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Gryphon66

While you're desperately casting about for justifications for slavery ... you might want to check out your Bible.




Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:5, NIV


Jesus taught in the context of the time, so did Paul. The context of the time was the aforementioned Roman Empire. What was very, very exceedingly common during that time? Slavery. His purpose was not to upend the established social order, but to teach people how they must be toward one another within the context of that framework.

If you know much of anything about the Bible, you know this was why the Jews rejected Him. They expected a conquering hero King like David who would free them from the Roman Empire and restore the Kingdom of Judea and that's not what they got. So they are still looking for Messiah today.


How typical; when the horrors of your Book are pointed out, suddenly, it's not 100% the inspired Word of God ... it's a historical document.

At least we finally agree on that one point.



Christianity at that time in history was in zero position to do much of anything regarding the practices of Rome ect save getting feed to lions. Fast forward to 1860 america and the anti slavery movement and you will find the opposite to be true.


You're speaking of history ... not the alleged 100% inspiration/authorship of the Bible by Gawd.



Ok but that was the challenge point I didn't use it first. Christianity and slavery with an historical context tossed in for measure. And besides how does being history ever denude anything of meaning? What are they doing to you folks these days down at the university to get you to think like that?
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posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Ansuzrune
I knew this was coming. The left has become so radical using political correctness as its tool, it was surely going to cause the very extreme right to come out. The conservatives have become too quiet in the face of screeching liberals. The left has already become violent as in the USC Berkeley riots. What was to be expected ? You think the extreme right was going to sit idle ? This is the same type of situation that happened in Germany in the 1930's. The Hollywood Jewish left Marxists are causing trouble and using the dumbed down black population to do it. Now I am not accusing all Jewish people of being extreme left and Marxist. In Germany they were the ones pushing for Communism as they did in Russia in the early 1900's. The Bolshevik Revolution was its result for the Russians and it cost twenty million lives. It's no wonder extreme right wing elements in Germany came to the forefront to protect Germans. Truth can be hard to swallow sometimes. For myself it is true. I grew up in a Jewish family. When a duck is duck call it so.


I totally disagree.

This is the fault of politics in general.

This is the fault of ultra partisanship.

The politics of the two parties and lack of civility and compromise has infected the public.

The blame game is exactly what the Dr ordered. It's called divide and conquer.

Meanwhile the majority of America somewhere in the center gets nothing, has limited rights, and no representation.

This is the fault of ultra partisan division and a general lack of respecting opposing ideas enough to have a civil debate.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Logarock

Slavery had already been made illegal in Europe long before 1860. What took us so long....

Fast forward to the illegals in boom towns across the sw for an answer.



Oh yea right like Europe didn't run the slave trade itself for centuries. And your question lacks any point significance but sounds good to a freshman in college.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

Slavery was illegal in Europe. It was illegal to own slaves.

The significance is the Christians looked the other way because America needed to grow and compete in the world and they cheated by using slaves. Much like today with the exploitation of labor in the bible belt.

Is that easier to read.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: Ansuzrune

The term you are looking for to say all that bullsnip above is Cosmopolitan Bias, it is the preferred term of Nazi wannabes.
Catch up on the lingo save space.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Gryphon66

While you're desperately casting about for justifications for slavery ... you might want to check out your Bible.




Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:5, NIV


Jesus taught in the context of the time, so did Paul. The context of the time was the aforementioned Roman Empire. What was very, very exceedingly common during that time? Slavery. His purpose was not to upend the established social order, but to teach people how they must be toward one another within the context of that framework.

If you know much of anything about the Bible, you know this was why the Jews rejected Him. They expected a conquering hero King like David who would free them from the Roman Empire and restore the Kingdom of Judea and that's not what they got. So they are still looking for Messiah today.


How typical; when the horrors of your Book are pointed out, suddenly, it's not 100% the inspired Word of God ... it's a historical document.

At least we finally agree on that one point.



Christianity at that time in history was in zero position to do much of anything regarding the practices of Rome ect save getting feed to lions. Fast forward to 1860 america and the anti slavery movement and you will find the opposite to be true.


You're speaking of history ... not the alleged 100% inspiration/authorship of the Bible by Gawd.


Jesus's purpose was to correct people's relationship with God, not create a social rebellion against the Roman Empire.


How wonderful that you can speak for Jesus! I'm stating that those who believe that the Bible is the 100% inspired word of God must accept that it promotes slavery.

All the other arguments are your own scarecrows to hang.


*snort* You are so good at reading what you think is there.

The Bible does not promote slavery. It teaches within the context of its time.

At what point did you quote Jesus speaking about slavery? Ephisians is Paul which is why I mentioned him.

As for me speaking for Jesus, I don't have to. He speaks quite ably for Himself throughout the Gospels every time he corrects the Pharisees who were supposed to be the arbiters of people's relationship with God. And he spends a good amount of time preaching things his disciples were constantly aghast at because it would so offend and upset the Pharisees.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: yuppa
silencing a unpopular Opinion is just as bad as hate speech.


No, it's really not.


You are being hateful to someone who disagrees with you. yes it is.


You clowns crack me up, honestly.

Go and try telling a Nazi that your Constitutional rights are being infringed because they're partaking in hate speech.

I'm sure Nazi's will back off and think to themselves, "Wow! We murdered 10+M people during our reign, we can't do that here! They have a Consitution!"

Because we ALL know Nazi's respect the law and Consitution lololololololol

ETA: people are right. This nation is a progressives wet dream.

If Nazism had popped up in today's world as opposed to in the 30's/40's, we wouldn't even invade them.

We'd be too busy reminding each other that it's even worse to silence the viewpoint of a mass-murdering terrorist than it is to allow them their reign of terror.

Crybabies whining about Nazi's not being treated equally in America in 2017.... go take your pity-party to social media so you sick, deranged losers can lose your jobs over affiliating with Nazism.


What cracks me up is the fact that LARP'ers like you actually believe that Nazi boogeymen are hiding around every corner. What is this obsession with a German workers party that hasn't existed for 80 years?



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:32 AM
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This is NOT the Mud Pit!!!


All rules for polite political debate will be enforced.
Reaffirming Our Desire For Productive Political Debate (REVISED)

**ALL MEMBERS** The recent surge in Hatred, Racism, and Sheer Stupidity STOPS NOW
The END of Hate Speech, subtle or otherwise, on ATS

You are responsible for your own posts.....those who ignore that responsibility will face mod actions.


and, as always:

Do NOT reply to this post!!



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: Konduit

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: yuppa
silencing a unpopular Opinion is just as bad as hate speech.


No, it's really not.


You are being hateful to someone who disagrees with you. yes it is.


You clowns crack me up, honestly.

Go and try telling a Nazi that your Constitutional rights are being infringed because they're partaking in hate speech.

I'm sure Nazi's will back off and think to themselves, "Wow! We murdered 10+M people during our reign, we can't do that here! They have a Consitution!"

Because we ALL know Nazi's respect the law and Consitution lololololololol

ETA: people are right. This nation is a progressives wet dream.

If Nazism had popped up in today's world as opposed to in the 30's/40's, we wouldn't even invade them.

We'd be too busy reminding each other that it's even worse to silence the viewpoint of a mass-murdering terrorist than it is to allow them their reign of terror.

Crybabies whining about Nazi's not being treated equally in America in 2017.... go take your pity-party to social media so you sick, deranged losers can lose your jobs over affiliating with Nazism.


What cracks me up is the fact that LARP'ers like you actually believe that Nazi boogeymen are hiding around every corner. What is this obsession with a German workers party that hasn't existed for 80 years?


You're not Jewish are you?




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