Charlottesville VA Stuck Hosting (Arguably) Largest Hate Rally In Decades

I wonder what would happen if Neo-Nazis showed up to support a cancer charity?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Why would these people that you're concerned with being inappropriately labeled neo-Nazis (or "Nazis") at this rally want to "unite the right" with straight up neo-Nazi groups? Aren't they in fact declaring an affiliation?

I'm not concerned with people at the rally being deemed neo-Nazis. I'm concerned with people who aren't neo-Nazis, being labeled as Nazis, as in the example I gave earlier.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
Known Groups There: National Socialist Party, Vanguard America, Traditional Workers Party, Identity Evropa, Rise Above Movement, Some Proud Boys, 'Alt-Right' faces, League Of The South, Rebel Brigade of Knights

WOW that looks like mostly leftist groups doesn't it? We all know by now, if we look in our hearts and admit it, that the elite left are the racists. The elite right are rich snobs which is another problem. Hell the left just can't believe a black man or woman can obtain ID to by liquor and vote. The very same ones can't believe Immigrant Hispanics despise the illegal Immigrants for all the right reasons. Or that all people, no matter their color or origin, just want to raise their family in safe neighborhoods. Huge disconnect from where the right path is and those of us seeking it and those who wish a Utopia that is impossible.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Isnt that OT? And NIT version? That one is a pure blasphemy because it removes ALOT of things and changes others.

I'm anxious to see the causes of the police helicopter crash in Charlottesville, but I'm speculating that the police chopper was shot down by rifle fire.

My condolences to the police and families of those affected.

On Sunday, the alt right is deciding to blame the police for the violence. Disgusting. Strap in people. They're back, spreading hate and blaming everyone but themselves.

"The hate you hear around you, that is the anti-white hate," a spokesperson for Unite the Right said among a chorus of boos. "That is what fueled what happened yesterday. What happened was yesterday was a result of the Charlottesville Police officers refusing to do their job. They did not follow through."

The news conference came to an abrupt end as demonstrators interrupted the news conference. 

Police in riot gear were redeployed to Charlottesville.

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Anyone supporting these nazis should be ashamed of themselves. Actually, anyone who identifies with nazis in 2017 should pick up a book...I shouldn't even have to say this. It should be common sense so how did it come to this??

a reply to: Shamrock6

I assume that most of these people going through knee-jerk contortions actually abhor the ideologies of these groups. My hope is that they'll come around, even if they don't want to state so publicly, and push these assholes waaaay back to the fringe where they were.

There's been a lot of bleed into the mainstream on social media. I invite anyone who doubts that to take a look at Twitter sometime. BakedAlaska has lost some followers after falling out with Cernovich over his Nazi antics but he's still got 183k followers.

The event organizer, Jason Kessler, has been given a platform by Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller, who have published three of his articles this year.

Richard Spencer Leads White Nationalist Demonstration In Front Of Virginia Robert E. Lee Monument (Jason Kessler 05/14/2017)

Trump Supporters Vow To Rally In Berkeley Without Ann Coulter (Jason Kessler 04/26/2017)

Uncle: MS-13 Gangsters Mutilated Va. Teenager’s Body In Grisly Murder (Jason Kessler 04/03/2017)

These people are pushing their way into the mainstream with the help of sympathizers in mainstream conservatism who wish to promote *some* of their ideas. Hopefully this will start shedding light on what's been allowed to happen and folks will be repulsed and push back.

Anyone who is claiming it is not possible to distinguish Neo-Nazis from other white Americans is either is either being disingenuous or profoundly naive.

originally posted by: Verse
It should be common sense so how did it come to this??

There will always be a small number of people in this world who are just hateful racists, on all sides. However, I think illegal immigration, US jobs being shipped over seas, a deteriorating of the economy for the average worker, the bank bailouts, perceived media bias etc. are what have caused this uptick in neo-Nazis. These people feel like some felt in Germany, which is what helped lead to the Nazis taking power, and so in some ways these people identify with the Nazis. It won't happen here, as we are far more diverse, but these neo-Nazis aren't the brightest of folks.

originally posted by: AutonomousMeatPuppet
I wonder what would happen if Neo-Nazis showed up to support a cancer charity?

Check with the Koch brothers, and their financial support of cancer research. Doesn't help them much.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Exactly. And they are being led to the boogeyman just like the Germans. Manipulated by rhetoric.

Meanwhile the owners of entire illegal labor meat packing plant keeping donating to the party and the illegal labor helps fill labor voids in boom cities across the SW and now further.

I wish people understood when gimmicks are being used to manipulate them.

The alt- right appears to be following Trump's lead in blaming police.

Mr. Trump consulted a broad range of advisers before speaking on Saturday, most of whom told him to sharply criticize the white nationalist protesters. The president listened attentively, according to a person familiar with the discussions, but repeatedly steered the conversation back to the breakdown of “law and order,” and the responsibility of local officials to stem the violence.

The violence he flamed is the police's fault?

Stop.

NYT

Charlottesville is a tinder box today.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

It won't happen here, as we are far more diverse, but these neo-Nazis aren't the brightest of folks.

Granted but they are well armed, organized, obsessed, and stupid all at the same time; a potential for disaster if ever I saw one... This doesn't concern you?

And you don't see the connection with what happened in Germany?

And now they seem to have a charismatic national leader that sympathizes with them and is pushing all the right buttons...

a reply to: theantediluvian

Wow. Thanks for posting this. Can't believe how smugly and certainly these people where claiming he was one of the organizers: twitter Well, they had me fooled, not that that it would have mattered much.



The axe with a bundle around it - as shown on the black shields - is called a fascis. This is literally where fascism got it's name from. It was an ancient Roman symbol carried by a certain type of officers (lictors) as a symbol of authority, used by Mussolini's regime. The word fascist is often used unfairly, but these people are plainly fascist, if anyone is.

The round device on the right is the black sun, or the sun wheel. It was used by various occultists (including Helena Blavatsky) and also the SS, originating from ancient Germanic designs. It's often used as an ersatz for the swastika, more politically correct. It can be seen as three swastikas on top of each other. As a curiosity, it's also used by the Azov battalion, a unit of the Ukrainian national guard that contains some foreign volunteers.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

It won't happen here, as we are far more diverse, but these neo-Nazis aren't the brightest of folks.

Granted but they are well armed, organized, obsessed, and stupid all at the same time; a potential for disaster if ever I saw one... This doesn't concern you?

And you don't see the connection with what happened in Germany?

I just made the connection with what happened in Germany, so obviously I see it. I also see that the US is different than Germany, we are far more diverse, and much more tolerant. These people are a tiny fringe, their biggest rally in decades garnered a couple hundred people. They have no support from the American populace, they are seen for the clownish folks that they are. They may create rare dangerous situations like in Charlottesville, that should be dealt with by law enforcement, but they aren't a threat to our Democracy.

a reply to: yuppa

The Letter to the Ephesians is New Testament, supposedly scribed by Paul, inspired by Yahoo (or Yahehew or whatever).

ETA: I don't have an opinion of your opinion of the New International Version translation ... I would guess it would be somewhat more accurate than one done in 1611.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Well, carrying a Nazi flag is a pretty good indicator ...

I agree on that point. So is that the measuring stick then, you have to be carrying a Nazi flag?

What are you looking for ... a checklist?

originally posted by: AutonomousMeatPuppet
I wonder what would happen if Neo-Nazis showed up to support a cancer charity?

Probably the same thing since they probably wouldnt show up saying they support saving all races from cancer.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Well, carrying a Nazi flag is a pretty good indicator ...

I agree on that point. So is that the measuring stick then, you have to be carrying a Nazi flag?

What are you looking for ... a checklist?

I just think that if we are going to take away people's constitutional rights, or "do away with" these people entirely (whatever that is supposed to mean?), then yeah there should probably be some type of guidelines for those actions.