a reply to: TruMcCarthy
Sooner or later, we're all going to have to get over our mutual squeamishness about talking about these issues. Left to their own, things are getting
I think it has a lot more to do with emotion and tolerance of change than anything. Let's be real here. Current predictions are that whites will no
longer be a majority of the population in the United States by 2050. We'll still be the largest "racial" group but combined, the other groups will
constitute a majority.
This is upsetting to a lot of white people who feel that "white people" are being "replaced." It's right in the tagline for the rally: "They Will Not
Replace Us." I don't think that even the average white right-winger wants anyone being murdered but they also don't want their descendants to be a
minority of the population.
It's a really thorny topic to discuss — it's inherently a "racist" subject by definition as it's nearly entirely an issue of race.
I'll let you in on a little secret, even we whites on the Left aren't immune to the uncomfortable pangs of these baser, tribal anxieties and impulses.
Contrary to what popular rhetoric would have you believe, being a white progressive doesn't mean hating yourself or other white people. We're not
eagerly advocating for "white genocide" out of some misplaced notion of "white guilt." (I mean, in any group there are outliers, I'm sure there is
some tiny percentage of self-hating members of any group)
And in turn, the modern "white nationalists" aren't clueless. That's why they've softened their positions across a whole spectrum down to the "Proud
Boys" whose membership isn't exclusively white. The shift there is away from genetic "race" to cultural identity.
What I will argue is that the anxiety is irrational. We, as a society, are very malleable. Most people conceive of American history as being something
Columbus - colonies - American Revolution - America - American Civil War - The Industrial Revolution - 20th Century till now.
Along with the missing history, there's a lot of missing reality. We have had successive waves of immigration and we've assimilated those people into
our society (and assimilation is something of a two-way street). How many people today, in a country where 60% of us have German heritage, are
lamenting the waves of German immigrants who came to this country in the middle of the 19th century? How many today view that as a hostile invasion
that supplanted traditional American culture?
All those triggered nativists of the time sounded all the same alarms about European immigrants. "They won't assimilate" "they're taking our jobs"
"they bring disease" "they bring immorality and drugs" (Chinese in particular).
In 2050, if white people aren't the majority, this will still be America. In 2150 if 100% genetically "European" people are 10% of the population,
this will still be America. The people here will still be Americans. Our history will still be their history. They'll still be speaking English
(though it'll have all sorts of new words and other words familiar to us will fade from usage).
What people need to understand and I think this is one of the fundamental differences in personalities that accounts for why people lean
"conservative" or "progressive" — change happens. Everything evolves over time. These impulses rising from our tribal instincts are irrational and
often lead to arbitrary ideals. Like this idea that the world should be split up into little political compartments of genetically homogeneous groups
with very limited cross border exchanges of genes, culture, etc — segregated.
That makes no sense. That's not the path that humanity has followed to this point at all is it? Try to understand the "logic" of the white nationalist
arguments. Basically, you have arguments like "white people created the modern world." Well not exactly. That only sort of works if you arbitrarily
lump all Europeans into "white people." 60% of Americans, as I said, have German heritage. Any idea how the Germans were living before the Romans
invaded? And where did the Romans get a large chunk of the culture they brought? (Greeks?) How many of us living in the "Western World" are Greek? And
if Greece is the original wellspring of Western Civilization's greatness, why aren't these "white nationalists" and "Western chauvinists" enamored
with the greatness of modern Greek society?
Because it's all irrational bulls# created to cater to primitive impulse.
I didn't intend to go on a long winded, meandering rant. If you made it this far, thanks for indulging me.
There's no white genocide. There's no globalist cabal out to replace us. (why would they?) There's just change and the predictable emotional responses
If people are really
concerned about the future of America, perhaps they should try channeling their discomfort with change in other ways.
Instead of fearing people who aren't like us, should we not try embracing them? That fear comes from a mentality of us v them. I think most people
intuitively understand that. There are two paths forward from that realization. Either "us" and "them" merges into just "us" or we fight against the
natural procession of events and try to get rid of those we view as "them."
Haven't we learned by now, from the horrendous nightmare that was the Nazi's attempt, that the latter path that their ideological offspring are trying
to push us down, is not the way to go?
edit on 2017-8-13 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)