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originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: TonyS
Tony Tony Tony!!.. it's not just a shared war experience with different hopes and dreams , but a sharing of speech patterns, music, food certain trend towards social convervativeness and may I dare say... FAMILY TIES!!
originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: strongfp
I am not surprised anymore considering the complete dumbing downing of three generations of adults that will never grow up.
We may as well get rid of Mount Rushmore while we are at it to, I am sure they will find it offensive.
What a shame.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: strongfp
The real problem I have with all the confederate stuff is 2 fold..
A) from an americans pov it is glorifying treason...
If the plaque read..
"Rebeled against his native country leading to the deaths of thousands of US service members, while being a pretty damn good tactician ..except for that whole gettysburg fiasco .. he totally blew that..."
That is patriotically remembering your history..
However that's not what we have here.. which leads me perfectly into ...
B) if you look at the dates on all these schools, monuments and parks "creation date" or date of the name change..
They ALL started and usually can be directly traced to the push back from civil rights..
No one glorified the confederacy before then.. they had just rebelled leading to tens of thousands of deaths..
As a middle finger to segregation and civil rights you had revisonist history statues and monuments pop up like weeds..
So there isn't a glorious history to protect.. it is protecting a very specific FU meant to tell the world they will not intergrate quietly.
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Attempting to erase history.......so sad to see this.....
Whats the difference between this and what ISIS is doing? Trying to get rid of things that make people uncomfortable......
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat that.........remember that when you try to wipe it clean......
originally posted by: defiythelie
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Attempting to erase history.......so sad to see this.....
Whats the difference between this and what ISIS is doing? Trying to get rid of things that make people uncomfortable......
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat that.........remember that when you try to wipe it clean......
This is not erasing anything. The statue will be moved to a museum. Which will lead to it being much better preserved.
originally posted by: defiythelie
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: strongfp
The real problem I have with all the confederate stuff is 2 fold..
A) from an americans pov it is glorifying treason...
If the plaque read..
"Rebeled against his native country leading to the deaths of thousands of US service members, while being a pretty damn good tactician ..except for that whole gettysburg fiasco .. he totally blew that..."
That is patriotically remembering your history..
However that's not what we have here.. which leads me perfectly into ...
B) if you look at the dates on all these schools, monuments and parks "creation date" or date of the name change..
They ALL started and usually can be directly traced to the push back from civil rights..
No one glorified the confederacy before then.. they had just rebelled leading to tens of thousands of deaths..
As a middle finger to segregation and civil rights you had revisonist history statues and monuments pop up like weeds..
So there isn't a glorious history to protect.. it is protecting a very specific FU meant to tell the world they will not intergrate quietly.
At least one other person gets it.
originally posted by: defiythelie
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: strongfp
The real problem I have with all the confederate stuff is 2 fold..
A) from an americans pov it is glorifying treason...
If the plaque read..
"Rebeled against his native country leading to the deaths of thousands of US service members, while being a pretty damn good tactician ..except for that whole gettysburg fiasco .. he totally blew that..."
That is patriotically remembering your history..
However that's not what we have here.. which leads me perfectly into ...
B) if you look at the dates on all these schools, monuments and parks "creation date" or date of the name change..
They ALL started and usually can be directly traced to the push back from civil rights..
No one glorified the confederacy before then.. they had just rebelled leading to tens of thousands of deaths..
As a middle finger to segregation and civil rights you had revisonist history statues and monuments pop up like weeds..
So there isn't a glorious history to protect.. it is protecting a very specific FU meant to tell the world they will not intergrate quietly.
At least one other person gets it.
originally posted by: defiythelie
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Attempting to erase history.......so sad to see this.....
Whats the difference between this and what ISIS is doing? Trying to get rid of things that make people uncomfortable......
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat that.........remember that when you try to wipe it clean......
This is not erasing anything. The statue will be moved to a museum. Which will lead to it being much better preserved.
originally posted by: defiythelie
originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: strongfp
I am not surprised anymore considering the complete dumbing downing of three generations of adults that will never grow up.
We may as well get rid of Mount Rushmore while we are at it to, I am sure they will find it offensive.
What a shame.
Mount Rushmore was deemed offensive on day one by the natives. This was because the black Hills were/are sacred to them.
originally posted by: Tempter
originally posted by: defiythelie
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: strongfp
The real problem I have with all the confederate stuff is 2 fold..
A) from an americans pov it is glorifying treason...
If the plaque read..
"Rebeled against his native country leading to the deaths of thousands of US service members, while being a pretty damn good tactician ..except for that whole gettysburg fiasco .. he totally blew that..."
That is patriotically remembering your history..
However that's not what we have here.. which leads me perfectly into ...
B) if you look at the dates on all these schools, monuments and parks "creation date" or date of the name change..
They ALL started and usually can be directly traced to the push back from civil rights..
No one glorified the confederacy before then.. they had just rebelled leading to tens of thousands of deaths..
As a middle finger to segregation and civil rights you had revisonist history statues and monuments pop up like weeds..
So there isn't a glorious history to protect.. it is protecting a very specific FU meant to tell the world they will not intergrate quietly.
At least one other person gets it.
Gets what? He was an AMAZING character in history and helped to form the very foundation of today's success.
Robert E. Lee deserves recognition always.
originally posted by: Groot
If I said it once, I have said it a million times.
It's about heritage, not hate.
Being a son of the south with my mothers name being Lee, probably of no relation, I find it offense that they are removing these historical monuments.
Pretty sure none of my family never owned any slaves, let alone fought a war to keep slavery, since the majority of them were poor farmers picking cotton themselves.
Pretty sure it was mostly because they grew tired of the north telling them what they can and can not do.
# them Yankees !