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Statue of Confederate General R.E.Lee Removed.

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posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

I say museum, I sure as hell wouldn't want to give homage to a treasonous general on a military base I am stationed at, let alone some of the others that went on to form the Klan and White Citizens Council,
There must be a few folks out there who want to commission a statue of Benedict Arnold.




posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

That's an odd thought process.

I think you're painting me into a corner I'm not actually in. I'm also opposed to censorship. I suggested the statues belong at the very least in a venue accessible to the public where history is preserved and available.

That they have been removed is done and over with. To me it matters most after the fact what happens to the statues. I suspect those who wanted them gone would be against my view also. Both sides want their way or the highway, which solves not much.



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

Should it be washed clean, like it never happened? When you think or utter the words, American Civil War, minds instantly go to slavery and go with that reasoning on why it was fought. Eliminating the statue doesn't eliminate the history but goes through very emotional channels in attempt to sanitize it.

I've seen your a fan or ancient cultures particularly in Africa. Do you not study them or the history anymore being that they surely had and used slaves for much more nefarious purposes?


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posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: JinMI

I say museum, I sure as hell wouldn't want to give homage to a treasonous general on a military base I am stationed at.


You must have spent YEARS in the military to come up with that one! Just WHO do you think Forts Lee, Bragg, Hood, Benning etc are named for? Intellectual nitwit you are...



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

I'm not picking on you, just trying to illustrate my point.


To remove symbols of racism to combat racism is like removing hospitals to combat illness.

In my opinion.
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posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:41 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Blaine91555

I'm not picking on you, just trying to illustrate my point.


To remove symbols of racism to combat racism is like removing hospitals to eliminate sick people.

In my opinion.


Your opinion is wrong. Those are not, nor ever have been, symbols of hate. The only hatred the Southern Soldier had was for tyranny.



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: The3murph

I don't care what they stand for, all I care about is the systemic censorship of history.


(post by The3murph removed for a manners violation)

posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


In a way I am pleased that President Davis and Generals Lee and Beauregard don't have to see or be associated with the cesspool of crime, filth, and degeneracy that New Orleans has become. Alabama got it right today. Their legislature passed a State Law that NO monuments, street names, buildings, etc that have been up more than 40 years from TODAY can be removed. EVER.



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:49 PM
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All I'm going to say is this:

As a native of Louisiana - this saddens me. It's a landmark. Or was one. Met up with countless friends at Lee Circle. Hey, it was Mardi Gras and every drunk can find it.

As a student of history, I know that admiration for Lee cut across the Mason Dixon line as well as cultural and political boundaries.

May the name of Landrieu be eternally infamous and always misspelled.

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posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:53 PM
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As a native of Louisiana - this saddens me. It's a landmark. Or was one. Met up with countless friends at Lee Circle. Hey, it was Mardi Gras and every drunk can find it.


So Lee Circle has as much significance as a local meeting spot for the cast of Jersey Shore?


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posted on May, 20 2017 @ 07:56 PM
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IF the argument of the people who wanted these to be removed are genuinely held then their next target should be the bulldozing of Congo Square. Why should black people have to walk by and see where they were once auctioned like cattle?



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Well yeah. It's been a really long time. The cultural implications have morphed.

Neither his Dad nor two previous African-American mayors had issue with it but cue SC whack-a-doo Dylan Root, SJWs, Trump-rage and the internet and suddenly it's the biggest problem N.O. faces.

No, not by a long shot.

Moon Jr. can suck it.
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posted on May, 20 2017 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

No but context matters, I am sure Genghis Khan, was a mass murdering rapist and was generally in pleasant to be around but enough time had passed to make his sins truly horrific, in the civil war context, too soon, way too soon, some people who fought during the civil lived till the 40ts if not later...and again most of this type of Southern heritage is not about remembering an ancestor but revel in white dominance, I bid you to go back to the base of the statue. Look at the comerative plaque.



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Ultimately it's still a States Rights issue. If the people of the State of LA don't want the statues on state land, it's their call isn't it?



We finally agree.



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: gort51

Americans black people don't hate whitey...

Definitely not as a general rule.. however anyone can be kinda uncomfortable around a bunch of unknown people..

as soon as you get to know some one, that all goes away..



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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Americans black people don't hate whitey...

Definitely not as a general rule.. however anyone can be kinda uncomfortable around a bunch of unknown people..

as soon as you get to know some one, that all goes away..



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: kosmicjack

I really don't care about the symbols being removed. Let the local people decide what they want to do.

I'm sick of people being tied to meaningless symbolism.



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

Are you a Southron? If not WHY do you think WE care about your opinion? See here is the deal.... I would NEVER attempt to tell a black person who, what, or where should be important to them and their cultural heritage. It's too much for them to return that courtesy.



posted on May, 20 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Agreed. But this wasn't that. It was a mayor on a mission to further his political prospects.




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