Miss USA: Not a feminist, also healthcare is a privilege.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Rights are easier and simply just a joy to defend.

Because who would want to be against rights?

Right?

So if they can convince people that healthcare is a right, then selling the masses a "single-payer" system or socialized medicine would be a simple maneuver.

The other issue is see is that many think that government grants rights.


Governments create programs, governments do NOT grant rights.

"Natural rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable (i.e., rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws). ... The concept of natural law is closely related to the concept of natural rights."

en.wikipedia.org...

You forget that legal rights are also "rights". You know like the Bill of Rights. And yes governments grant those rights. Refer to your same link.

Interesting fact. . .

Say a treatment program that a doctor provides costs 500.00 dollars, with a Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement of 500.00.

Easy, right?


If the doctor only charges 5 dollars, he won't get a 5 dollar reimbursement, he will get no reimbursement. He HAS to charge the 500.00 in order to get reimbursed the 500.00 because that is what the government has determined that treatment to cost.

a reply to: whywhynot

I stand corrected.

Slavery was once a legal right.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: whywhynot

I stand corrected.

Slavery was once a legal right.

I guess that is my point, at a point in history enough citizens believed in the right of slavery. THEN, latter when enough citizens opposed that right the right was withdrawn through the will of the people. This change was codified. That is why we do not have slavery today.

Want a health care right? Do something to obtain that right.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

If we were to undo the insurance industry the medical industry would collapse.

The medical "customers" cannot afford the products. And it would literally be people dying in their apartments.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: SaturnFX

Coastguard, Fire and rescue services are not a right either but nobody seems to complain about them being provided collectively by tax dollars.

Hahaha it's funny how You brought up the coast guard when they don't do squat. I've worked in the gulf for about 20 years and I can assure You if You are sinking then the likely hood of the coast guard saving You is pretty damn high. Now I'm not saying that You are doomed because 90% of the time You will get picked up by someone whom is an evil oilfield worker or a shrimper. Now if You don't believe Me then go through all those videos of the deepwater horizon disaster and notice that not one coast guard cutter was helping to put out the fire and the reality is they are just government workers doing what they do best which is sitting on their asses.

Yes, healthcare is a priviledge, when I go to the doctor with my part D insurance and social security, there is a twenty five dollar copay and for meds there is also a twenty dollar copay. When the people I know who are on medicaid go, they pay nothing. That is why I only go when I am very sick and they go whenever they sniffle.

So since I have copays, I don't have to go to the doctor nearly as much as them, I save on the gas to get there. I have been to the doctor once in two years, I went because I switched doctors and I told him that I don't go often so he can have another patient too. I won't take up much time.

a reply to: SaturnFX

Hopefully you will never have a bunch of people hovering over you and hear the term "code heart."

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: burdman30ott6

If we were to undo the insurance industry the medical industry would collapse.

The medical "customers" cannot afford the products. And it would literally be people dying in their apartments.

The healthcare insurance companies are too big to fail.

a reply to: SaturnFX

You're correct about rights and privileges. Your right to free speech is my duty not to censor you. A so-called right to healthcare would be my duty to provide it to you. That's not going to happen. The same with housing, a livable wage and other privileges.

a reply to: rickymouse

Lol, I can't comment on that as a Brit, but I've got ya on municipal fire and rescue funded by tax dollars. Socialist, I tell thee!


*edit*
Sorry Ricky, I meant to reply to jkm, but fixing it is a nightmare on my phone.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: rickymouse

Lol, I can't comment on that as a Brit, but I've got ya on municipal fire and rescue funded by tax dollars. Socialist, I tell thee!

If we had socialized healthcare I still wouldn't go to the doctor till I couldn't kick something on my own. Chicken soup and hot toddies work great for almost everything. If you do not eat much of that highly processed junk food and drink some coffee or tea, you don't get sick very often. The wife and I just got over a common cold, that is a treatment for cancer since the common cold triggers us to fight cancer.

When I found out that the life expectancy is severely reduced if you have epilepsy I quit taking the meds that were killing me. Evidently the reason you die a lot sooner is because of the side effects of the meds to treat it. If you have grand mals, you have no choice, they are harder to control with diet.....I think anyway, I don't understand why they would be but I would not want anyone with that to stop taking meds.

a reply to: rickymouse

Lol I get ya
I have been treating a deep hand wound last couple of weeks myself because th ER would've gone for stitches and I wouldn't have been able to meet work commitments in case I tore them.
I cleansed and strapped twice a day, gotta be done sometimes.

a reply to: SaturnFX

I thought the poor were receiving medical insurance at the state level before the ACA. Medical costs skyrocketed because there was no tort reform and illegals were not paying their medical expenses. People were not dying in the US because they were denied medical care. The poor were not completely disenfranchised by their inability to pay, it just created a burden on the system. The intent of the ACA was to lighten that burden, but it failed miserably, and merely aided the skyrocketing costs

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: rickymouse

Lol I get ya

I have been treating a deep hand wound last couple of weeks myself because th ER would've gone for stitches and I wouldn't have been able to meet work commitments in case I tore them.
I cleansed and strapped twice a day, gotta be done sometimes.

Hydrogen peroxide actually disolves the fat cells in the wound which releases a stem cell which can boost the healing speed. That is what I read on Sciencedaily one day anyway. I have always used hydrogen peroxide for cleaning wounds, the doctors use hydrogen peroxide with iodine mixed to clean wounds. That also stimulates healing.

Our imune systems T cells actually produce hydrogen peroxide when we get a cut. To kill bacteria and to promote healing.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: burdman30ott6

If we were to undo the insurance industry the medical industry would collapse.

The medical "customers" cannot afford the products. And it would literally be people dying in their apartments.

Actually, like any other industry, when they cannot sell a marketable item, the costs of such item lowers or else they go out of business. In a capital society...competition creates a sustainable cost.

a reply to: CynConcepts

The medical insurance industry is alive and well in the UK.
Most people don't buy insurance because they are happy enough with the NHS.
Insurance is inexpensive though because private hospitals have to compete with the tax funded state health care.

*edit*
...better hospitals with private insurance though, think 5 and 3 star hotels.
Usually same specialist surgeons you'll see who contract for both the NHS and private hospitals, and no waiting for a few weeks to see them.

so, I guess when the declaration of independence says that we have "the right to life" they meant that we have the right to life until such time as we get sick and can`t afford medical care, and die?

if it`s a right then how can it be revoked merely by being sick and poor?

if you have to pay money to continue being afforded that right, then it isn`t a right is it?

If the government can do something to ensure that everyone`s rights remain in force and unabridged shouldn`t they do it?
what use is a government that won`t protect the rights of it`s citizens?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: whywhynot

I stand corrected.

Slavery was once a legal right.

As is stupidity.
Until these gamer mentality morons wake up and realize that they are being gamed- were all #ed.

If a mechanic walked into the waiting room and said "I'll look at it, then came back and said "I did what I could, that's gonna be 300,000 dollars"- and your car never moves again, you'd kill the bastard.
But because he's gone to medical school for 10 years, there's no questioning his authority. ...

But if a guy goes to school for 10 years to study mechanical systems- he's just a knuckle dragger to be ignored.
The problem lies with the mentality of the consumers.
Spoiled kids that don't work for a living don't respect anyone who does.
Shi#ty parenting.

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Miss USA: ... healthcare is a privilege.

It's okay, sanity isn't a requirement for winning the USA Female Meat Market!