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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: face23785
I am pretty sure asking the Russian FSB to help you win an election via hacking is an "attack on our democracy" any way you slice it...
You seem to be making some strange arguments..
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
I don't get it...does it matter why he fired him? He can fire him for any reason other than race, gender, sexual orientation, etc...
I guess I am not seeing why it even matters and is worth probing.
He can fire the Director of FBI for any reason?...Sure..Though the only other time it was done, the Dir. was using tax payer funds for home improvement and lied on tax returns etc.
Obstructing or attempting to obstruct Justice is illegal...
Where those two actions intersect is what got Nixon impeached following the Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon fired his AG and Deputy AG when they refused to fire the Special Prosecutor investigating him.
Interesting Side Note:
Trump Friend/advisor/subject of FBI investigation...Roger Stone was a Nixon Advisor and loyalist. He even got a picture of Nixon Tattooed on his back after the scandal..
The ardently Democrat acting Director of the FBI just testified to Congress that the Bureau's investigation into Trump/Russia will not be impacted in any way by Comey being fired. He further testified that no special prosecutor is needed.
Narrative busted.
What narrative? And how was it "busted"?
Confused by your posts..
Lol so now you're gonna play dumb? Your pretending you don't know what I mean is pathetic and childish. The narrative that Trump fired Comey to obstruct the investigation is false and you know it's false yet you still continue to dishonestly insinuate it. Stop lying.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
Ah, so you are saying he was perhaps attempting to obstruct justice. But the FBI would still be investigating, even with Comey gone though? So that seems a huge stretch to me.
It wasn't Comey doing the investigating, it's the FBI.
That is certainly an argument being sold...But where does that end? As long as the FBI has one agent assigned to the case he can fire away?
If clear intent to impede the investigation by removing the Head of the FBI is demonstrated?
Is the argument that the head of the FBI is irrelevant to the FBI's work? Or does "obstruction of justice" only stick when it is proven successful? Attempted murder?
I would argue that anyone convicted of "Obstruction of Justice"...was obviously unsuccessful given their conviction.
So the defense that the FBI is still investigating is irrelevant.
It was just testified to Congress that no one has been removed from the investigation. Stop making things up.
You should Google the name James Comey?
He wasn't the investigating agent. The dozens of agents who actually were doing the investigation are still doing it. That was just confirmed to Congress in public. Keep it up with the false narrative though. It's sad.
What's sad/comical is watching the WH narrative fall apart on an almost hourly basis.
Spicy suggested this was all on Rosenstein.
Sounds like Rosenstein wasn't too happy about that.
I can't begin to imagine what the minimum threshold for obtuseness must be to work there...
So Rosenstein is mad that the letter he wrote recommending Comey be fired resulted in Comey being fired?
Cool story bro.
Well there is this....
www.rawstory.com...
Read it. Lots of claims. Source? "This person" according to WaPo.
Versus the IC officials testifying before Congress today on live TV. I'll take the IC officials, you can have your baseless article from a known liberal mouthpiece.
originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Indigo5
James Comey was the director. The grunt work, invesigations, reports, etc. continue on. These agents will merely hand over their findings to a different person.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
I don't get it...does it matter why he fired him? He can fire him for any reason other than race, gender, sexual orientation, etc...
I guess I am not seeing why it even matters and is worth probing.
He can fire the Director of FBI for any reason?...Sure..Though the only other time it was done, the Dir. was using tax payer funds for home improvement and lied on tax returns etc.
Obstructing or attempting to obstruct Justice is illegal...
Where those two actions intersect is what got Nixon impeached following the Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon fired his AG and Deputy AG when they refused to fire the Special Prosecutor investigating him.
Interesting Side Note:
Trump Friend/advisor/subject of FBI investigation...Roger Stone was a Nixon Advisor and loyalist. He even got a picture of Nixon Tattooed on his back after the scandal..
The ardently Democrat acting Director of the FBI just testified to Congress that the Bureau's investigation into Trump/Russia will not be impacted in any way by Comey being fired. He further testified that no special prosecutor is needed.
Narrative busted.
What narrative? And how was it "busted"?
Confused by your posts..
Lol so now you're gonna play dumb? Your pretending you don't know what I mean is pathetic and childish. The narrative that Trump fired Comey to obstruct the investigation is false and you know it's false yet you still continue to dishonestly insinuate it. Stop lying.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
Ah, so you are saying he was perhaps attempting to obstruct justice. But the FBI would still be investigating, even with Comey gone though? So that seems a huge stretch to me.
It wasn't Comey doing the investigating, it's the FBI.
That is certainly an argument being sold...But where does that end? As long as the FBI has one agent assigned to the case he can fire away?
If clear intent to impede the investigation by removing the Head of the FBI is demonstrated?
Is the argument that the head of the FBI is irrelevant to the FBI's work? Or does "obstruction of justice" only stick when it is proven successful? Attempted murder?
I would argue that anyone convicted of "Obstruction of Justice"...was obviously unsuccessful given their conviction.
So the defense that the FBI is still investigating is irrelevant.
It was just testified to Congress that no one has been removed from the investigation. Stop making things up.
You should Google the name James Comey?
He wasn't the investigating agent. The dozens of agents who actually were doing the investigation are still doing it. That was just confirmed to Congress in public. Keep it up with the false narrative though. It's sad.
What's sad/comical is watching the WH narrative fall apart on an almost hourly basis.
Spicy suggested this was all on Rosenstein.
Sounds like Rosenstein wasn't too happy about that.
I can't begin to imagine what the minimum threshold for obtuseness must be to work there...
So Rosenstein is mad that the letter he wrote recommending Comey be fired resulted in Comey being fired?
Cool story bro.
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
I don't get it...does it matter why he fired him? He can fire him for any reason other than race, gender, sexual orientation, etc...
I guess I am not seeing why it even matters and is worth probing.
He can fire the Director of FBI for any reason?...Sure..Though the only other time it was done, the Dir. was using tax payer funds for home improvement and lied on tax returns etc.
Obstructing or attempting to obstruct Justice is illegal...
Where those two actions intersect is what got Nixon impeached following the Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon fired his AG and Deputy AG when they refused to fire the Special Prosecutor investigating him.
Interesting Side Note:
Trump Friend/advisor/subject of FBI investigation...Roger Stone was a Nixon Advisor and loyalist. He even got a picture of Nixon Tattooed on his back after the scandal..
The ardently Democrat acting Director of the FBI just testified to Congress that the Bureau's investigation into Trump/Russia will not be impacted in any way by Comey being fired. He further testified that no special prosecutor is needed.
Narrative busted.
What narrative? And how was it "busted"?
Confused by your posts..
Lol so now you're gonna play dumb? Your pretending you don't know what I mean is pathetic and childish. The narrative that Trump fired Comey to obstruct the investigation is false and you know it's false yet you still continue to dishonestly insinuate it. Stop lying.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
Ah, so you are saying he was perhaps attempting to obstruct justice. But the FBI would still be investigating, even with Comey gone though? So that seems a huge stretch to me.
It wasn't Comey doing the investigating, it's the FBI.
That is certainly an argument being sold...But where does that end? As long as the FBI has one agent assigned to the case he can fire away?
If clear intent to impede the investigation by removing the Head of the FBI is demonstrated?
Is the argument that the head of the FBI is irrelevant to the FBI's work? Or does "obstruction of justice" only stick when it is proven successful? Attempted murder?
I would argue that anyone convicted of "Obstruction of Justice"...was obviously unsuccessful given their conviction.
So the defense that the FBI is still investigating is irrelevant.
It was just testified to Congress that no one has been removed from the investigation. Stop making things up.
You should Google the name James Comey?
He wasn't the investigating agent. The dozens of agents who actually were doing the investigation are still doing it. That was just confirmed to Congress in public. Keep it up with the false narrative though. It's sad.
What's sad/comical is watching the WH narrative fall apart on an almost hourly basis.
Spicy suggested this was all on Rosenstein.
Sounds like Rosenstein wasn't too happy about that.
I can't begin to imagine what the minimum threshold for obtuseness must be to work there...
So Rosenstein is mad that the letter he wrote recommending Comey be fired resulted in Comey being fired?
Cool story bro.
Well there is this....
www.rawstory.com...
Read it. Lots of claims. Source? "This person" according to WaPo.
Versus the IC officials testifying before Congress today on live TV. I'll take the IC officials, you can have your baseless article from a known liberal mouthpiece.
When you attack the source it's old #20
Perhaps a review is in order .....
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Rosenstein threatened to resign after the narrative emerging from the White House on Tuesday evening cast him as a prime mover of the decision to fire Comey and that the president acted only on his recommendation, said the person close to the White House, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
I don't get it...does it matter why he fired him? He can fire him for any reason other than race, gender, sexual orientation, etc...
I guess I am not seeing why it even matters and is worth probing.
He can fire the Director of FBI for any reason?...Sure..Though the only other time it was done, the Dir. was using tax payer funds for home improvement and lied on tax returns etc.
Obstructing or attempting to obstruct Justice is illegal...
Where those two actions intersect is what got Nixon impeached following the Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon fired his AG and Deputy AG when they refused to fire the Special Prosecutor investigating him.
Interesting Side Note:
Trump Friend/advisor/subject of FBI investigation...Roger Stone was a Nixon Advisor and loyalist. He even got a picture of Nixon Tattooed on his back after the scandal..
The ardently Democrat acting Director of the FBI just testified to Congress that the Bureau's investigation into Trump/Russia will not be impacted in any way by Comey being fired. He further testified that no special prosecutor is needed.
Narrative busted.
What narrative? And how was it "busted"?
Confused by your posts..
Lol so now you're gonna play dumb? Your pretending you don't know what I mean is pathetic and childish. The narrative that Trump fired Comey to obstruct the investigation is false and you know it's false yet you still continue to dishonestly insinuate it. Stop lying.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
Ah, so you are saying he was perhaps attempting to obstruct justice. But the FBI would still be investigating, even with Comey gone though? So that seems a huge stretch to me.
It wasn't Comey doing the investigating, it's the FBI.
That is certainly an argument being sold...But where does that end? As long as the FBI has one agent assigned to the case he can fire away?
If clear intent to impede the investigation by removing the Head of the FBI is demonstrated?
Is the argument that the head of the FBI is irrelevant to the FBI's work? Or does "obstruction of justice" only stick when it is proven successful? Attempted murder?
I would argue that anyone convicted of "Obstruction of Justice"...was obviously unsuccessful given their conviction.
So the defense that the FBI is still investigating is irrelevant.
It was just testified to Congress that no one has been removed from the investigation. Stop making things up.
You should Google the name James Comey?
He wasn't the investigating agent. The dozens of agents who actually were doing the investigation are still doing it. That was just confirmed to Congress in public. Keep it up with the false narrative though. It's sad.
What's sad/comical is watching the WH narrative fall apart on an almost hourly basis.
Spicy suggested this was all on Rosenstein.
Sounds like Rosenstein wasn't too happy about that.
I can't begin to imagine what the minimum threshold for obtuseness must be to work there...
So Rosenstein is mad that the letter he wrote recommending Comey be fired resulted in Comey being fired?
Cool story bro.
Well there is this....
www.rawstory.com...
Read it. Lots of claims. Source? "This person" according to WaPo.
Versus the IC officials testifying before Congress today on live TV. I'll take the IC officials, you can have your baseless article from a known liberal mouthpiece.
When you attack the source it's old #20
Perhaps a review is in order .....
www.abovetopsecret.com...
originally posted by: Gandalf77
a reply to: face23785
Comey testified that Obama didn't wiretap Trump tower, but this must be fake news too because it contradicts Trump's narrative. Sounds like he wasn't too happy about Comey not confirming his theories.
Clapper has acknowledged that multiple foreign intel sources handed off information regarding suspicious contacts between Trum associates and Russians. I believe he called that information "quite sensitive." To be fair, we don't know what that's referring to. If there's nothing to it, then perhaps it's just the old 'methods & sources' deal.
But then there's the multiple FISA warrants that were obtained for Page's comms. It's my understanding those aren't exactly easy to get without something compelling in hand, & if they're renewed multiple times, it suggests they found something.
My point? This investigation wasn't initiated just for kicks & giggles. And Comey didn't request more funds and resources merely to expand the scope of the kicks and giggles.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785
They never got Clinton's emails. You realize that right?
Just making sure.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785
James Comey was fired but not removed?
Lol
What is his role now then? Consultant?
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Indigo5
James Comey was the director. The grunt work, invesigations, reports, etc. continue on. These agents will merely hand over their findings to a different person.
He was the Director of the FBI, who amongst other duties reported to Congress on the status of the investigation involving Russia and the Trump Campaign. Apparently that was sufficient to warrant Trump firing him.
It's pretty plain...
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
I don't get it...does it matter why he fired him? He can fire him for any reason other than race, gender, sexual orientation, etc...
I guess I am not seeing why it even matters and is worth probing.
He can fire the Director of FBI for any reason?...Sure..Though the only other time it was done, the Dir. was using tax payer funds for home improvement and lied on tax returns etc.
Obstructing or attempting to obstruct Justice is illegal...
Where those two actions intersect is what got Nixon impeached following the Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon fired his AG and Deputy AG when they refused to fire the Special Prosecutor investigating him.
Interesting Side Note:
Trump Friend/advisor/subject of FBI investigation...Roger Stone was a Nixon Advisor and loyalist. He even got a picture of Nixon Tattooed on his back after the scandal..
The ardently Democrat acting Director of the FBI just testified to Congress that the Bureau's investigation into Trump/Russia will not be impacted in any way by Comey being fired. He further testified that no special prosecutor is needed.
Narrative busted.
What narrative? And how was it "busted"?
Confused by your posts..
Lol so now you're gonna play dumb? Your pretending you don't know what I mean is pathetic and childish. The narrative that Trump fired Comey to obstruct the investigation is false and you know it's false yet you still continue to dishonestly insinuate it. Stop lying.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
Ah, so you are saying he was perhaps attempting to obstruct justice. But the FBI would still be investigating, even with Comey gone though? So that seems a huge stretch to me.
It wasn't Comey doing the investigating, it's the FBI.
That is certainly an argument being sold...But where does that end? As long as the FBI has one agent assigned to the case he can fire away?
If clear intent to impede the investigation by removing the Head of the FBI is demonstrated?
Is the argument that the head of the FBI is irrelevant to the FBI's work? Or does "obstruction of justice" only stick when it is proven successful? Attempted murder?
I would argue that anyone convicted of "Obstruction of Justice"...was obviously unsuccessful given their conviction.
So the defense that the FBI is still investigating is irrelevant.
It was just testified to Congress that no one has been removed from the investigation. Stop making things up.
You should Google the name James Comey?
He wasn't the investigating agent. The dozens of agents who actually were doing the investigation are still doing it. That was just confirmed to Congress in public. Keep it up with the false narrative though. It's sad.
What's sad/comical is watching the WH narrative fall apart on an almost hourly basis.
Spicy suggested this was all on Rosenstein.
Sounds like Rosenstein wasn't too happy about that.
I can't begin to imagine what the minimum threshold for obtuseness must be to work there...
So Rosenstein is mad that the letter he wrote recommending Comey be fired resulted in Comey being fired?
Cool story bro.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
I don't get it...does it matter why he fired him? He can fire him for any reason other than race, gender, sexual orientation, etc...
I guess I am not seeing why it even matters and is worth probing.
He can fire the Director of FBI for any reason?...Sure..Though the only other time it was done, the Dir. was using tax payer funds for home improvement and lied on tax returns etc.
Obstructing or attempting to obstruct Justice is illegal...
Where those two actions intersect is what got Nixon impeached following the Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon fired his AG and Deputy AG when they refused to fire the Special Prosecutor investigating him.
Interesting Side Note:
Trump Friend/advisor/subject of FBI investigation...Roger Stone was a Nixon Advisor and loyalist. He even got a picture of Nixon Tattooed on his back after the scandal..
The ardently Democrat acting Director of the FBI just testified to Congress that the Bureau's investigation into Trump/Russia will not be impacted in any way by Comey being fired. He further testified that no special prosecutor is needed.
Narrative busted.
What narrative? And how was it "busted"?
Confused by your posts..
Lol so now you're gonna play dumb? Your pretending you don't know what I mean is pathetic and childish. The narrative that Trump fired Comey to obstruct the investigation is false and you know it's false yet you still continue to dishonestly insinuate it. Stop lying.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Indigo5
Ah, so you are saying he was perhaps attempting to obstruct justice. But the FBI would still be investigating, even with Comey gone though? So that seems a huge stretch to me.
It wasn't Comey doing the investigating, it's the FBI.
That is certainly an argument being sold...But where does that end? As long as the FBI has one agent assigned to the case he can fire away?
If clear intent to impede the investigation by removing the Head of the FBI is demonstrated?
Is the argument that the head of the FBI is irrelevant to the FBI's work? Or does "obstruction of justice" only stick when it is proven successful? Attempted murder?
I would argue that anyone convicted of "Obstruction of Justice"...was obviously unsuccessful given their conviction.
So the defense that the FBI is still investigating is irrelevant.
It was just testified to Congress that no one has been removed from the investigation. Stop making things up.
You should Google the name James Comey?
He wasn't the investigating agent. The dozens of agents who actually were doing the investigation are still doing it. That was just confirmed to Congress in public. Keep it up with the false narrative though. It's sad.
What's sad/comical is watching the WH narrative fall apart on an almost hourly basis.
Spicy suggested this was all on Rosenstein.
Sounds like Rosenstein wasn't too happy about that.
I can't begin to imagine what the minimum threshold for obtuseness must be to work there...
So Rosenstein is mad that the letter he wrote recommending Comey be fired resulted in Comey being fired?
Cool story bro.
He's mad that he's taking the blame when trump TOLD HIM to write the letter. He's threatened to quit.