North Korea threatens to strike US aircraft carrier to show 'military's force'

a reply to: intrptrithe reason we are their is because he is threatening the us of nukes and we are there with a battlegroup to remind him not to let his mouth right checks that his butt can't cash. on one hand it lets him know he has a big flyswat ready to swat him if he starts buzzing and 2 it reassures the south that we are there to have there back if he tries anything. he ain't dealing with obama no more.
hell the destroyers escorting the carrier are a major threat with there tubes of tomahawks.

a reply to: proteus33

the reason we are their is because he is threatening the us of nukes

No, we are the threat, Korea is defending itself.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: proteus33

the reason we are their is because he is threatening the us of nukes

No, we are the threat, Korea is defending itself.

Would you like to see if Kim Jong has a job for you in North Korea? He'd love to get another supporter from the USA, in addition to Dennis Rodman.

Ah.. here's one for you! www.telegraph.co.uk...

I don't think this is about North Korea. Not really. This is about China. The rhetoric, the base building and the sabre rattling has been steadily tightening the noose around China in the Pacific for some years now.

China is the new Soviet Union, the Threat that will be the rationale for billions in defence spenditure.

Just get out a map and draw in US bases in the Pacific and Asia, and compare it with Chinese bases outside mainland China and it is pretty clear who is turning the screw on who...

And it is very, very dangerous. MAD is still a thing, and we came very close the last time someone were posturing just outside the coastline of another nuclear power like that. Yes, I am talking about Cuba.

We would, as a species, probably not survive a nuclear war, with a following nuclear winter, and there are people in this thread cheering on the US to "end China as a nuclear threat".

I don't know if it makes me more sad or angry.

At any rate, the games being played are very dangerous, and they are playing with our childrens future. Posturing is very dangerous if the other part don't back down, because then you would either have to do something or look foolish.

If you want to de-escalate something, you don't do it with more troops.

BT

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Lets see now ........ this threat no. 10,1087 and still no action. How thick are those who still take the bloke with the Hn name in NK seriously?

originally posted by: Denoli
A little miss information off putin and the war begins

I think you mean right out of the CIA dont you?

a reply to: carewemust

Brain dead, only response is deflecting to Korea. Its not about Korea, its about China and world domination.

I have a job for you too...

mind your own business.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: proteus33

the reason we are their is because he is threatening the us of nukes

No, we are the threat, Korea is defending itself.

This is ridiculous. You need to study your history. The DPRK have been in the wrong since 2002 when they withdrew from the non proliferation treaty and began testing nuclear weapons in earnest with the intention of fitting a nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile. This led to the Six-Party talks when China, Japan, North Korea, Russia, South Korea, and the United States all had a little sit down and in 2005 the DPRK declared it would no longer mess with nuclear weapons because an agreement was made to return to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. This all fell apart in 2009 when Pyongyang declared it would never return to non proliferation and began openly threatening Japan and South Korea, again... Not as if the Norks hadn't already sunk a South Korean naval vessel, and continued to display that even with conventional weapons (non nuclear) it could pretty much wipe Seoul off of the map in about 90 minutes. Seoul is 30 miles south of the DMZ and has always been the big red bulls eye for any military action from the North. This concludes the over simplified, 'Readers Digest Version' of this part of history.

Next is this whole business about wanting to draw out China and go to war with them. That's categorically false in every way. It would waste literally trillions of dollars in trade agreements with China, and would immediately cause Russia to engage and World War 3 would ensue until every one was dead. It would literally, not figuratively, but literally be planetary suicide simply because of the amount of firepower that would be thrown around between the Western Allies, China, and Russia.

Furthermore, if you place any value on Captain Orange Manbaby (Trump), he's made it clear to China diplomatically that should they turn up the pressure on North Korea it would be even more beneficial for them economically!!! Meaning that all those jobs and all the factories that were going to open up here would be opened back up in China! Yay for Chinese diplomacy!

No we will not be going to war with China any time soon. It's in both nations mutual economic interest to find a diplomatic solution with the DPRK. If that can't happen you can expect China to outwardly condemn any military action the US takes and ultimately do nothing to stop it. China has always regretted having a mutual defense agreement with the DPRK, even more so since Kim Jong-Un has taken his father's place. They would like to be rid of the little bastard as much as the rest of the world.

ACA Factsheet

Former CIA, Senior Advisor to the Director of National Intelligence and the Director of the National Counterproliferation Center and the Intelligence Community Mission Manager for North Korea Joseph DeTrani can tell you all about North Korea. Read this if you want to be educated.

Some valuable discussions about North Korea with opnions and experiences from Col. David S Maxwell (ret) former Chief of Staff, SOCKOR (Special Operations Command Korea. He's also a preoffessor at Georgetown)

Of all the topics on ATS, this is the one that it's members are most ignorant about. It's understandable because of how easy it is to write off Kim Jon-Un and North Korea as bat**** crazy. But it's important to not be ignorant about them any longer. They are a fully capable nuclear state. Just because they don't have nuclear tipped ICBM's ready to launch doesn't mean they can't get a nuke wherever they want to by other means. They have a vast trade network, they have submarines, and they have a formidable military and reserve force of over 6 million troops.

It's a huge mistake to underestimate this potential adversary. As i have said before: this is not some poor desert country in the middle east packing rpg-7's and small arms. This is the real deal, nuclear capable, big military, down to fight to the last breath, will not be steam rolled, has back in the UN from Russia, etc etc, country.

I'll be working on a more comprehensive DPRK thread in my spare time. Maybe if it's all in one place other members will gain a better understanding of the scale of this whole debacle.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: carewemust

Brain dead, only response is deflecting to Korea. Its not about Korea, its about China and world domination.

I have a job for you too...

mind your own business.

See above.

a reply to: AnonyMason

This is ridiculous. You need to study your history. The DPRK have been in the wrong since 2002 when they withdrew from the non proliferation treaty and began testing nuclear weapons in earnest with the intention of fitting a nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile.

Study history yourself. The problem began when Korea was partitioned after WWII, by the west, then reoccupied when the north tried to repatriate their country. Same as in Vietnam.

God forbid sovereign nations should have the right to self determination. We won't go into their right to self defense against invasion and occupation.

One doesn't just strike a carrier group first you gotta make it through about 15 of these...

a reply to: intrptr

The Soviet Red Army liberated northern Korea in August 1945. At the time, there were very few Communist cadres in the North. The Soviets began to rely largely on exiled Communists who returned to Korea at the end of World War II as well as ethnic Koreans who were part of the large Korean community in the USSR.

SO according to that Communist were few and far between in Korea to begin with.

The United States and the Soviet Union occupied the country, with the boundary between their zones of control along the 38th parallel.

With the onset of the Cold War, negotiations between the United States and the Soviet Union failed to lead to an independent, unified Korea. In 1948, UN-supervised elections were held in the US-occupied south only. This led to the establishment of the Republic of Korea in South Korea, which was promptly followed by the establishment of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea in North Korea. The United States supported the South, and the Soviet Union supported the North, and each government claimed sovereignty over the whole Korean peninsula.

The Korean War (1950–1953) left the two Koreas separated by the Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) in the later part of the Cold War and beyond. The 21st century has seen some improved relations between the two sides, particularly during periods of liberal governments in the South

So this is basically a civil war between communist and A deocratic republic supporters. It was partioned BECAUSE th e Russians and china wanted to force the entire country under their boots.

originally posted by: JAY1980
One doesn't just strike a carrier group first you gotta make it through about 15 of these...

I don't know when that footage was taken but that weapons system looks pretty fallible. It sprays thousands of rounds producing a cloud of projectiles that hopefuly score a few hits. The footage of the attack attack on the single slow surface boat was laughable. The more the gun fired the hotter the barrels grew, the less accurate it became. The boat continued to approach, apparently unaffected... (@2:35)

Imagine a dozen or more sea skimming missiles approaching at mach two plus.

a reply to: yuppa

tldr

US out of everywhere, yankee go home.

a reply to: intrptr

This article says that the Navy has purchased guns capable of firing 1,000,000 (1 million) rounds a minute!

""The prototype gun system was rated at 16,000 rounds per second or 1,000,000 rounds per minute. The gun system was developed by an Australian weapons company by the same name. In 2007, Metal Storm Inc. started delivering its gun systems to the US Navy for surface ships. This video shows how the Metal Storm gun achieves its head spinning firing rate.""

www.realcleardefense.com...

Maybe LARGER versions have been developed for Surface-to-Surface engagement.

a reply to: carewemust

Sure and they will take out the first few missiles, then be quickly overwhelmed.

The gun barrels overheat, burning all their ammo in a few seconds of firing. The 'Close In' aspect means just a mile or two at the outside. At the speed of modern anti ship missiles, Even if they hit the missile and cause it to break up the parts from it will still impact the ship , like skipping stones on a pond.

The guns radar will be further confused by incoming debris, etc.

a reply to: intrptr

I was Referring to it's one Capability of Firing 16,000 Rounds a Minute Targeting an ICBM Launched Missile . That Alone makes it a Very Mobile Offensive Weapons System . North Korea Be Warned . The U.S. Response to one of North Korean Launches would Insure their Total Destruction .

a reply to: carewemust

Metalstorm was never put to use as a CIWS. They use the current CIWS as a last ditch system to back up SeaRAM, which is used for longer range engagements.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Sunburns and Moskits are very, very scary. Especially when inbound.

The trick is keeping them unlaunched, I guess.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: intrptr

I was Referring to it's one Capability of Firing 16,000 Rounds a Minute Targeting an ICBM Launched Missile . That Alone makes it a Very Mobile Offensive Weapons System . North Korea Be Warned . The U.S. Response to one of North Korean Launches would Insure their Total Destruction .

I think airborne laser platforms and hacking the missiles computers are more likely, in this day and age.

Stop to think for a moment why Koreas recent test missile exploded a few seconds after launch...