"Communism for Kids":Published by MIT Press

a reply to: Advantage

Socialism is just an economic model. I believe it can work well with our Constitution. Contrary to Alex Jones, YouTube, and some college kids full of angst, we socialists just go about daily life and don't entertain notions of violent overthrowing of the U.S. government. Revolution in thought and policy, not via Molotov cocktails through Trumps windows.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Advantage

Socialism is just an economic model. I believe it can work well with our Constitution. Contrary to Alex Jones, YouTube, and some college kids full of angst, we socialists just go about daily life and don't entertain notions of violent overthrowing of the U.S. government. Revolution in thought and policy, not via Molotov cocktails through Trumps windows.

Excellent response!!
Thanks! It was an honest question.

a reply to: Kali74

Generally socialism would conflict with the protected notion of private property rights which is found in the COTUS.

You can't hold everything in common and protect private property as property much be confiscated in some manner in order that it be redistributed to be held in common.

a reply to: ketsuko

Why not?

a reply to: ketsuko

Here is article 10 of the 1936 constitution of the USSR.

ARTICLE 10. The right of citizens to personal ownership of their incomes from work and of their savings, of their dwelling houses and subsidiary household economy, their household furniture and utensils and articles of personal use and convenience, as well as the right of inheritance of personal property of citizens, is protected by law.

Both sides have been lied to.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Maybe I misunderstood what you were implying then. Can you clarify this statement?

They do not teach the opposing views in school, even despite them being far superior in argument and evidence.

Perhaps it's because I'm not American, but arguments for capitalism and against socialism are never mentioned.

a reply to: daskakik

No we haven't. Do you see what it is called? It is called a right, acknowledged as such. Now, the laws may be changed to no longer protect that right, but it cannot change the fact that it is a right that the people have and will continue to have even if the law oppresses that right.

You cannot take a person's right from them, only oppress it.

a reply to: Kali74

You can only do it as you and the group of people you are with agree to do it. As soon as you start compelling it by force, then it becomes confiscatory and you are then stealing and negating the private property rights of others.

This is why we see that socialism is so great that you have to compel it at gun point.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Are arguments for Socialism taught? They weren't here, and when we covered economics, I was taught the Capitalist economy and how perfect it is.

a reply to: ketsuko

I don't even know what you are talking about?

Anti-USSR propaganda in the US says that people in the USSR didn't have personal property. They lied to you.

a reply to: Kali74

Are arguments for Socialism taught? They weren't here, and when we covered economics, I was taught the Capitalist economy and how perfect it is.

Not necessarily. If you were taught how awful socialism was, why are you a socialist?

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: ketsuko

I don't even know what you are talking about?

Anti-USSR propaganda in the US says that people in the USSR didn't have personal property. They lied to you.

In a communist society, they had no right to their own property. There was nothing stopping the government from moving in a confiscating it whenever it so chose.

There was nothing like the 4th Amendment protections.

originally posted by: ketsuko
In a communist society, they had no right to their own property. There was nothing stopping the government from moving in a confiscating it whenever it so chose.

There was nothing like the 4th Amendment protections.

Yes they did. I just quoted their constitution.

ETA: They can take stuff from you in the US but that doesn't mean that you can't have personal possessions.

a reply to: ketsuko

That is why, though I believe the best system is worker owned means of production and little to no government, I and most of us don't advocate violent revolution. It's a big if that humans will ever be capable of such cooperation and respect of one another, let alone the question of when. That doesn't mean there can't be a shift in areas, toward Socialism. Greater say over how our tax dollars are spent for example.

a reply to: ketsuko

Eminent Domain... there's nothing stopping US gov from taking your property. In some states, most states the cops can confiscate your private property if they arrest you for certain types of crime and they don't have to give it back if you're found innocent.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Because I learned what Socialism actually is and what it is not and I find it to be much more preferable than the exploitation of humanity known as Capitalism.

a reply to: Kali74

Because I learned what Socialism actually is and what it is not and I find it to be much more preferable than the exploitation of humanity known as Capitalism.

Where did you learn that?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So your pronouncement that schools indoctrinate and fail to present arguments against Socialism is based on what?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Reading.

a reply to: Kali74

Reading.

Any examples?