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"Communism for Kids":Published by MIT Press

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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Bone75

After watching the likes of Stalin,Castro,Mao and and the Kims for decades.

Amazing people think communism is GREAT !



We get it, you don't like brutal dictators. Nobody likes brutal dictators... so let's not have one.




posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: Bone75

Then why forget the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Man is corrupt.

Think a capitalist democracy is bad ?

It's NOTHING like a communist state.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: jellyrev

Europeans were not making enough babies so capitalists had to import part of the work force.

Capitalism at its finest. Why are you complaining?



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Bone75

Then why forget the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Man is corrupt.

Think a capitalist democracy is bad ?

It's NOTHING like a communist state.


Yeah, so I heard... up in the third grade with the rest of you and it scared the crap out of me too.

Kudos to the authors of this book for encouraging free thought and rational problem solving rather than the fear-mongering approach we were indoctrinated with.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Europeans were told not to make babies. Starting in about 2nd grade. Muh Overpopulations.

I didn't advocate unfettered capitalism in fact I already stated I have qualms about anarcho capitalism.

And unemployment rates combined with labor participation rates say that is not the issue. Companies in the US anticipating min wage increases and lower illegal labor are already changing over to High capital investment(mechanical, robotic) to cover the changes.
Here is a nice thumbnail of european unemployment rates both normal and youth. Not the issue.




posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: jellyrev

That isn't unfettered capitalism, it is state sanctioned.

The same in the US. There is unemployment but people still sneak in and get work.

There must be more to it than able bodies and unemployment stats because they don't add up.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

By unfettered I meant typically Libertarians advocate open borders(now a major split in that ideology).

Employers get a lot more control of an employees time and their wages if they are A) illegal, B)Visa. It's not an issue of STEM degrees, its not an issue of training, workers daily retrain their H1B replacements when they could have trained an american.

As for farm labor its a race to the bottom, once a percentage of the market share started using illegal labor they all had to in order to keep up. Produce isn't typically chosen by brand name, usually by cheapest or if organic, so brand loyalty is a nonfactor.
As they raced to the bottom it essentially made farm labor an irrational choice compared to getting on welfare.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: jellyrev

So not really unfettered just more relaxed than you would like?

Either way, the state stands behind it, especially the H1B situation.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse
"Good of the collective"? Sounds like the Borg...lol anyway I don't see anything wrong with this. Ur in America right? Then what does it matter what you read. As a free society these kids can make their own minds up when they're old enough to vote. What's the point of touting a free nation and then complain when children are taught something you disagree with. It's called freedom, including the freedom to express any idealogy.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

Are you saying that there CAN'T BE a westernized communist nation that retains the same values we hold dear? Such rigid thinking puzzles me.



It only puzzles you because you have no idea that socialist/communist values are completely different from the values in countries like the United States.

In the United States people have a right to private property, and this includes the ability to own property that produces, or property that you can rent or sell to others.

In socialism/communism you cannot own anything that produces, or lands/property that you can rent or sell. The state owns it all. In fact, if the state, under socialism/communism, think that you don't deserve your house, and that another family should live in your house the state can order you to leave that house. Farmers in socialist/communist regimes can't own land. The government owns it, and famers have to plant whatever the "state" tells them to. Not to mention that about 80% -85% of the harvests you produce you have to give away to the state.

Under socialism/communism the good of the collective is more important than the individual. Which means minorities can be oppressed "for the good of the collective".

I have already posted twice a quote from Karl Max which also states that "there can be no opposition from socialism". What this means is that no other ideologies can exist in a socialist/communist regime, and it means that people can't express other ideologies that are different from socialism/communism.

For you to claim that " it is possible for a communist regime to retain the values held in western countries." shows that you don't know anything about socialism/communism or the values held dear in western nations.

In western nations, except a few which are turning socialist, people have a right to believe whatever they believe in. in socialism/communism you can't do that. The collective is more important than any morals you were brought on, or traditions, or ideologies that are different than socialism/communism.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

Freedom of expression doesn't equal to "let's indoctrinate children with lies about socialism/communism being great".

Imagine if there were people trying to teach children "the goodness of Fascism and the nazis"... "Nazism is perfect, it has no problems, and it's the ideology that children must be taught".

Heck, let's publish nudity in children's books, and the "goodness of pedophiles"... Right? After all, people should be free to free expression even if they are lies trying to be indoctrinated on children. (btw I abhor pedophiles, and don't believe children should be shown nudity or even sexuality. The parents are the ones who should decide when to teach children about sexuality and how)

Yes, people do have a right to free expression, but that doesn't equal to a right to indoctrinate lies.


edit on 16-4-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

Ok, let's try it this way. You seem to claim that Bernie Sanders will be good for the U.S., and he won't make the same choices that other socialists have done in the past.

Have you seen the "humble house" Sanders has?... Heck, he has three houses, the last one cost him $575,000 U.S.D.

PHOTOS: See Inside Bernie Sanders’ New House on a Lake

Such a "humble man"...

But yeah...he "will be different"...



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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

That's been debunked several times. Jane bought the house with the money she got from selling an inherited property.

Besides Bernie isn't against personal private property same as most other Socialists.

Also, again, this book isn't actually a children's book. Not sure why you don't get that.
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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Thank you for sharing your experience and understanding. I was pretty sure from your posting that you had real knowledge. Maybe now people here can quit with their usual " you don't know about Marxism " replies.
I back you all
The way!!!



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Obvious confirmation bias is obvious.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

That's been debunked several times. Jane bought the house with the money she got from selling an inherited property.

Besides Bernie isn't against personal private property like most other Socialists.


Riiight, I guess the 6 figure income he makes is also a lie... How Bernie Sanders, the Socialist, Quietly Entered the Top 4% of Earners

Debunked by who you?...

Not to mention that Sanders claims to be a democratic socialist, yet he also seems to flip-flop a lot and sometimes seems to be a social democrat, while at other times he exhibits a belief in democratic socialism. Which means he believes the collective should own the means of production, not the individual. Even though he flip flops in his beliefs he claims to be a democratic socialist.


Democratic socialism is a political ideology that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, often with an emphasis on democratic management of enterprises within a socialist economic system.
...

en.wikipedia.org...



The fact that he believes "the means of production" should be owned collectively means he doesn't believe individuals should own any means of production.

Your family owned that farm land for generations?... Say bye bye to it under a socialist like Sanders...

What this would mean is farmers can't own the land they toil, and the "state" will decide how to "ration" the food.

BTW, how many people can afford buying a house that costs $575,000 U.S.D.?...


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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 11:08 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Obvious confirmation bias is obvious.



And your evidence to support your claim?...

BTW, both Marx and Engels were brought up in wealthy families. Marx married Jenny von Westphalen whose prominent family was part of the Prussian aristocracy. Marx, who never in his life really worked for money, was known to ask people he knew to lend him money, including Engels, which he never returned. But this apparent belief by people like yourself that leaders of socialism/communism must be dirt poor has no basis on reality.

Just like these days rich kids are many of the same people who "profess to be socialist/communist"... Just like many other rich people who are very left-wing and want "socialism".


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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


I was pretty sure from your posting that you had real knowledge.

My claim is that this is just an opinion. There is no further proof needed.

Why do you keep bringing up Marx? I don't care about Marx or any other rich left-wingers.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
My claim is that this is just an opinion. There is no further proof needed.

Why do you keep bringing up Marx? I don't care about Marx or any other rich left-wingers.


I corroborated my statements. You haven't corroborated ANY of yours. If you want to make claims make sure to "corroborate them".

Why i brought up Marx, and the fact that he was a rich kid who never worked in his life for money? Because even though he wrote "extensively" about "the working class", he married a rich woman who was part of the aristocracy of Prussia. This is evidence that even the fathers of "modern day socialism/communism" were people who grew up being part of the elite. Yet you claim "socialist/communist elites having money, they must be crony-capitalists"...

Under socialism, because the leaders are supposed to represent "the people" aka the "collective" in that nation they are exalted, and live in rich mansions. But it didn't, and doesn't make them any less "socialists/communists"...


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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

Not sure how you can't get that this IS a children's book, at least in the sense of eventual indoctrination of communism to children all over the nation and other westernized parts of the world.

Millennials are a GREAT example of the indoctrination of socialism widely accepted by our youth now, due to the major globalist brainwashing operation going on nation wide. I don't know how old you are, but you got the sickness too.

What's so hard about understanding that communism is the next "cool" thing the college professors and Hollywood cucks, liberal media and grade school teachers will now spew off? Stage two is here, yup, It's here alright. Defenders of it like you are at complete fault. I sure hope your grand plan of anarchy and communism do all the wonderful Utopian things you keep dreaming will happen.

Good job for contributing to the fall of western civilization. Give yourself a big round of applause!!
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