US launches Tomahawks on Syrian airbases

a reply to: tommyjo

6 MiG-23 aircraft destroyed in US strike on Syrian airfield, runway undamaged – Russian MoD

So 59 tomahawks fired in order to destroy 6 Mig-23.
Quick math : MIG-23 unit cost : 6.6 M multiplied by 6 = 39.6 M
59 Tomahawks unit cost : 1.59 M multiplied by 59 = 93.81 M

Difference : 54.21 M in favour of Assad VS US taxpayers

originally posted by: youcanttellthepeople
a reply to: Scouse100

Thanks for posting that. Calm, level-headed - and didn't give in to the host. Well played to that man.

I'm surprised thus far how few voices there are asking why there wasn't a proper investigation first before pressing the button.

Yeah and 6 months later there might be a strongly worded letter to Assad.

We all know how that works.

Trump's entire presidential campaign was based on making outrageous and questionable moves in order to gain the upper hand. At the time it seemed silly and unreasonable, but in hindsight we not only learned that this is what helped him win but that it was required for him to win.

Negatives:
>Trump bombs Assad over what may have been a false flag.
>Trump appears to make a typical neocon move.

Positives:
>Trump has restored vigilance and respect to the US that Obama ruined for being a weak beta.
>Other countries will think twice now to cross US when they know Trump will pull the trigger in a heartbeat.
>Trump has silenced the muh russia attacks by the media and neocons. This will boost his approval ratings.
>Media is now taking side of skeptics and calling for investigations into sarin gas attack.
>No war will start over this.

originally posted by: BlueAjah

originally posted by: buellmph

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Vector99


He didn't kill anyone. He just bombed an obscure air force base. Something else is going on here.

You have to back up those "red lines" every once in awhile.

Exactly.

Trump never said that he would never protect the innocent. There are some reasons worth battle. Morality is the best reason. This was not done for political reasons, it was done for moral reasons. This was not political. If it was, they would have wasted time on useless sanctions, etc. There is a difference between protecting the innocent and nation building.

America can be strong morally. Trump always said that the US needs to be respected in the world. Part of looking out for America first is being sure that our enemies realize that we are strong. North Korea and other countries now know that Trump is not going to ignore the rest of the world, as so many have falsely spread.

It was a direct response to an attack on civilians, and the response was measured and limited.

Those thinking that Trump acted rashly are not looking at the whole story. Some act like Trump picked up the phone and ordered a strike. That's not what happened.

Trump met with Joint Chiefs of Staff, military and intelligence extensively. The chemical attack was from planes that were Syrian. It was not a terrorist attack. They did not jump into this or take it lightly. It was a deliberate measured response.

Two days is not enough time for any investigation.


Hoe can you be so guillble after all the times our governents have lied to us about war?

a reply to: mOjOm

First of all it's your* not you're. Secondly the dems were bloodthirsty after the attack, you had pundits and news channels alike calling trump a coward for not responding. Well you got what you wanted. I better not hear a peep about Russian relations or stability in the Middle East. We just fueled another Iraq war because you damn people are so emotional. This isn't our fight and never has been. If the ME doesn't give a # about countries in their region,then why should we? As a wise man once told me "nobody wins wars,people just die."

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

FOX reports 20 Syrian aircraft destroyed.

Russia reports 6 MiG-23 jets were destroyed by Trump.

twitter.com...

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: tommyjo

6 MiG-23 aircraft destroyed in US strike on Syrian airfield, runway undamaged – Russian MoD

So 59 tomahawks fired in order to destroy 6 Mig-23.
Quick math : MIG-23 unit cost : 6.6 M multiplied by 6 = 39.6 M
59 Tomahawks unit cost : 1.59 M multiplied by 59 = 93.81 M

Difference : 54.21 M in favour of Assad VS US taxpayers

I've always wondered just how we could even have a world war today.

In 1939 a Spitfire (just about the best warplane at that time) cost £12,600 to build. In todays money that's about £780,000 each

By comparison the new main fighter for the RAF is the Eurofighter Typhoon, which costs a whopping $140 million each (about £113 million).

So in World war 2 we'd have been able to build 144 and-a-bit spitfires for the same price we now get 1 fighter for.

If the Ruskies are building jets for $6.6 million each as you indicate, they can build 21 jets for the same cost we can build 1 for.

Plus ours are so complicated with parts coming from all over Europe that they'd take eons to put together.

Now, the Typhoon may be far more sophisticated, but how many Russian jets can it shoot down before it's out of missiles/ammo?

Could it do 21 in one sitting?

Every time we're out of ammo and heading back to land they'll picked off by one of the hundreds of Russian jets, or every time we lose one it'll take months to replace it - the supply chain is so long it could grind to a halt in 5 minutes if just 1 factory was bombed.

So - how could we even afford to have a world war, how could we supply the weapons we've chosen - they're too expensive and take too long to build.

The Ruskies will walk all over us I think - we might be more technogically advanced, but they'll crush us by sheer weight of numbers - or we'll go bankrupt first.

Pretty sure you Yanks were bombing Syria whilst Obama was in charge, you just love getting involved in Wars, it's the reason why 3/4 of the world want you dead...

a reply to: DBCowboy

Too many things come together, too neatly for this to be anything but political craft...and well done, IMO.

Nerve gas attack, purportedly. But, no pics of anything but children victims....no mothers...no fathers...

Assad definitely isn't stupid enough to order that, when we just announced last week officially, that removing him is off the table.

Russia gets warned in advance of our attack, so they can move their military to a safe location.

Pr.ess gets told that going home at their regular time, might be a bad move on their part.

Two day response time... and some warhawk public support in the deal...

Syria is Russia's ally....so how could Trump be in Putin's pocket?...and it blows everything else off the front page. No or very low casualties....but, good fodder for blustering and saber rattling.......maybe even threats to blow up some Israeli shyte, in retaliation?

Big show of pinpoint accuracy with lots of million dollar missiles blowing expensive shyte up....

And then Trump goes to dinner with China....perhaps the conversation included something about their delinquent child North Korea....who has been causing some problems lately?

Just my theory, of course....

GO TRUMP! The only logic a bully, murderer understand is a fist in the face. We all know that, and the world wants America to be their "bodyguard". While I typically don't agree and think the world needs to fight back more often, sometimes they need someone "bigger" to shut down the bullies.

This isn't war...congress wasn't needed. This was a criminal's use of nerve gas (prohibited world wide), a failed President's line in the sand (pussy) and the murder (and slow death torture) this evil person decided to unleash with weapons (Saddam's?) that Russia swore to destroy.

America has a new Sheriff...one with balls...and so far, the restraint, morals and execution of what made America great in the first place.

Hello world...we're back!!!

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

FOX reports 20 Syrian aircraft destroyed.

Do they have somone on the ground or do they made their claims out of thin air ?

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Not sure...but I believe they received that info from the Pentagon.

originally posted by: Enderdog
a reply to: DBCowboy

Too many things come together, too neatly for this to be anything but political craft...and well done, IMO.

Nerve gas attack, purportedly. But, no pics of anything but children victims....no mothers...no fathers...

Assad definitely isn't stupid enough to order that, when we just announced last week officially, that removing him is off the table.

Russia gets warned in advance of our attack, so they can move their military to a safe location.

Pr.ess gets told that going home at their regular time, might be a bad move on their part.

Two day response time... and some warhawk public support in the deal...

Syria is Russia's ally....so how could Trump be in Putin's pocket?...and it blows everything else off the front page. No or vey low casualties....but, good fodder for blustering and saber rattling.......maybe eveneven threats to blow up some Israeli #, in retaliation?

Big show of pinpoint accuracy with lots of million dollar missiles blowing expensive # up....

And then Trump goes to dinner with China....perhaps the conversation included something about their delinquent child North Korea....who has been causing some problems lately?

Just my theory, of course....

Or...to translate...the right response at the right time with the right level of strength destroying the right target. Maybe we just aren't used to having intelligent, moral and strong leadership after eight years of a pu$$y.

(raises hand)

Um, I could probably scrape up the other 11 guys. We're all gray haired now, but give me an unlimited TO&E and some covert infil and exfil support, and we could cream more planes and infrastructure in Syria than this for less than a tenth of the money including an epic team party after, with nearly zero civvy fallout.

Efficiency in deterrence. It matters.

a reply to: Power_Semi

The Mig-23 is an old school plane. First flight in 1967, production ended in 1985.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

I'm sure they have satellites

Russian drone footage of airfield damage being shown now.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Well, my point still stands whether the russian planes cost the same or not - a world war with planes costing 144 times what they did in WW2 -- how could we even begin to fight it - it would be unaffordable.

a reply to: avgguy



1st footage of destruction at US-hit Shayrat airbase in Syria