Johns Hopkins’ Top Psychologist Releases Terrifying Diagnosis of President Trump

originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I would assume you would need a base line on all of Hollywood, Congress and Captains of Industry types to be able to judge the degree of alleged illness.....until then it is just the Socialists trying to bring down the Capitalists.

As far as that baseline goes, yes, I suppose so. To that I offer a book brought to my attention by joemoe in another reply.

Is that the same John Gartner who authored this book? "The Hypomanic Edge: The Link Between (A Little) Craziness and (A Lot of) Success in America" If it is, perhaps Trump is setup for (A Lot of) Success then?

That's the most straight forward, real news, I've read in awhile.

And yet, the excuses continue.

originally posted by: dogstar23

originally posted by: SirKonstantin
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Virtually all presidents that have been examined, are classified as unhealthily both mentally and physically. I could go on to say that there has not been a "normal" president.


....probably, the only president that was close to "normal" was shot in a 1961 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible....

I can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting to be President.

Nor I. At least not if I think of MY mind as reasonably 'right'

Any doctor that would make a diagnosis without ever being in contact with an individual should have their medical license revoked.

originally posted by: joemoe
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Yes and we really have two choices Trump or Hillary. So Trump then, is truly the better choice then.

No. We had no choice. Poke a stick in our right eye or poke a stick in our left eye is no choice. But that was the past and this is now.

So, a professional medical entity allowed an employee to make a remote diagnosis of the president, and release it to the public?

Gonna call BS, and recommend treatment.

You gotta slam a whole case of Hateraid to rubberneck this story.

Would this be the same John Gartner who wrote 'In search of Bill Clinton,a psychological bibliography,my life among democrats ,presidents,candidates and activists?

originally posted by: Caver78
The original blog cited by the OP had a link to the original story posted by US News.

www.usnews.com...

Either way both are opinion pieces.

Gartner acknowledges that he has not personally examined Trump, but says it's obvious from Trump's behavior that he meets the diagnostic criteria for the disorder, which include anti-social behavior, sadism, aggressiveness, paranoia and grandiosity. Trump's personality disorder (which includes hypomania) is also displayed through a lack of impulse control and empathy, and "a feeling that people ... don't recognize their greatness.

Now ask yourself...what would a psychotherapist say about you based on video's of YOU without ever having met you?
And more importantly would their diagnosis of you be accurate?

Yes, I pointed that out in the OP when I raised the objection of unethical doctor. And as far as the 'opinion' of a highly trained psychotherapist from Johns Hopkins having access to as much footage of my life as is available of Trumps, I would not mind hearing it at all. And while I might not 'want' to agree with some of what he or she might say, I would not dismiss it out of hand. In fact, as bland a life as I lead, I'm pretty sure I am rather understandable.

originally posted by: jellyrev
Ken I'll take "People I know" for 500

They can be intelligent, high functioning (hold an important job for example) soft-spoken, charming, tearful/seemingly emotional, gracious, well mannered, kind and have the ability to form relationships. They may lie, falsely accuse, dramatize, smear, cheat, steal, manipulate, accuse, blame or twist to get what they want and feel justified in doing so. Because they are entitled, egocentric and desperate, they do not experience it as wrong.

What is my ex-girlfriends

That is correct

See at least one star in your box for that one? That was me. Point taken.

originally posted by: Annee
That's the most straight forward, real news, I've read in awhile.

And yet, the excuses continue.

And continue and continue.

originally posted by: Annee
That's the most straight forward, real news, I've read in awhile.

And yet, the excuses continue.

You mean the non scientific analysis a man made on trump without ever meeting him is "the most straight forward, real news" you've heard in awhile?

I think your emotional insecurities and fears clouds your judgement rendering you incapable of acknowledging confirmation bias.

See i can do it too..

This aligns fairly well with the reports that every morning Trump has people bring in every story (this has been happening since well before his presidential run) that has anything to do with him in it , so he can read about himself.

It's just odd things like that

He also has the Mar a lago estate where he is or was suing the county run airport because they won't route the air traffic around his estate because he doesn't like the sound, it's been there since well before he bought it....

The man has definitely got some issues....

Lying being a huge one obviously, he's been quoted many times when called out by people close to him when he would say something that wasn't true as "does it matter?"

Apparently not to Trump if it gets the desired effect he wants

originally posted by: khnum
Would this be the same John Gartner who wrote 'In search of Bill Clinton,a psychological bibliography,my life among democrats ,presidents,candidates and activists?

Damn. That is the second book of his brought up in this thread. That one sounds even better than the other one which was,
"The Hypomanic Edge: The Link Between (A Little) Craziness and (A Lot of) Success in America" If it is, perhaps Trump is setup for (A Lot of) Success then?

I have never read any psychological books on Slick Willy, just used my own evaluations.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

originally posted by: Annee
That's the most straight forward, real news, I've read in awhile.

And yet, the excuses continue.

You mean the non scientific analysis a man made on trump without ever meeting him is "the most straight forward, real news" you've heard in awhile?

I think your emotional insecurities and fears clouds your judgement rendering you incapable of acknowledging confirmation bias.

See in can do it too..

It doesn't take a professional to know what Trump is.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know." - John Heywood

a reply to: Caver78

he is still a psychotherapist and what he did is still considered unethical.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

originally posted by: Annee
That's the most straight forward, real news, I've read in awhile.

And yet, the excuses continue.

You mean the non scientific analysis a man made on trump without ever meeting him is "the most straight forward, real news" you've heard in awhile?

I think your emotional insecurities and fears clouds your judgement rendering you incapable of acknowledging confirmation bias.

See in can do it too..

It doesn't take a professional to know what Trump is.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know." - John Heywood

Oh good I love quotes, now you just have to figure out who this quote is addressing: “Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.” -Frantz Fanon”

a reply to: Annee

So you agree that you don't need to be a top psychologist (might as well call them psuedo-scientists) to make an accurate psychological anylsis ? So why is this news so "real" to you? Confirmation bias at its finest.

The irony of that quote you posted though

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

t's just odd things like that

Yup. For me, as much as I disliked Clinton, the thing that turned me against Trump was when he was saying (paraphrase) "Only I can fix America" He alluded to that a number of times.
Then there was the little bit just recently in another thread where he off handedly said ' in my other world'. Now the gist of that thread was maybe he is delusional or in some manner slipping between different dimensions. But that was for the most part tossed out and that what he meant was 'before' he was president. I agreed with that assessment, that he was only comparing his life now as opposed to his previous responsibilities.

But what hit me in the face with that was a more simple thing. He said." In-MY- other world. To me that was clear indication that this world, the present world we all live in,,,he sees as HIS world too.

YEP....guy gave an interview opinion and just coincidentally is also selling a new book.

Color me SHOCKED!

And yes he broke some ethics rules there as well. I'd be right now digging into why he's no longer teaching at John Hopkins. Gotta be an interesting story there.

It doesn't take a professional to know what Trump is.

In this case Annee it does as Gardner is alleging medical issues with Trump so excuse me if I prefer to hear from a military doc with privledges within the White House that Trump is medically unfit for office. Until that happens, this is nothing more than using Mental Illness to ridicule.

Last I checked bias against Mental Health issues and fighting the stigma has been an lifetimes of work for many people.
Patty Duke, Carrie Fisher, and others.

Just cause you don't like Tump isn't a good reason.

I've been saying this all along.
Of course I'm not a doctor buy I sure as hell know crazy when I see it.