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President Obama Shuts Down Possibility of Trump’s Muslim Registry

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posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: LumenImagoDei

11,000 murders a year by gun show loophole sales? BS.


Sorry, there are over 300 million guns in the US there is no epidemic. 253 registered cars.

However 13000 in 2015 killed by guns and over 30000 from car accidents. Which is more dangerous?




posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: reldra

It's funny. A certain group of people on this site have complained anytime the government spends money on something they deem unnecessary. And now that the government is cutting an ineffective program that hasn't been active for five years, thus saving money, they complain.


Um, explain how in inactive program is spending money.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Okay. Most of those white males are Christian. Should we have a Christian registry?

Also, Islam is a religion. A Muslim is a follower of Islam.
edit on 12/22/2016 by Xcalibur254 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

The problem is, you cannot vet what is in someone's heart or their intent. Plenty of terrorists that act as lone-wolf operatives don't have a searchable criminal record or any indication that they are terrorists or will become one.

And when you couple that with the fact that, at least in many Middle-Eastern countries, the nations themselves keep terrible records, there is often not even a way to vet someone because information on them doesn't even exist.

I can, on the surface, support some sort of Immigration Probation type of system, where people are checked on regularly and have limitations as to what they can do for that period of time. But that gets into a lot of issues that go counter to my libertarian ideals, so it's a tough one.

I do, however, acknowledge that it is the role of the federal government to protect its citizens, first and foremost. Accepting immigrants and refugees should not be expected nor guaranteed to the rest of the world.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Potayto, Potahto

A duck is a duck, no matter what name you give it.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: xuenchen

Okay. Most of those white males are Christian. Should we have a Christian registry?

Also, Islam is a religion. A Muslim is a follower of Islam.


ISIS has a Christian registry already.




posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

And how many people on American soil have been killed by Islamic terrorists? A lot less than guns and cars I'm sure.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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As part of one of his final efforts in the White House, President Obama is shutting down one way that Donald Trump could make his Muslim registry a reality.


And people.

For the record.

The current president can not limit the power of a future president.

It doesn't work like that.

Never has.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

So then why is there such a big deal being made? For all intents and purposes this program hasn't existed for five years. So why try to claim that Obama is trying to stick it to Trump?

Unless of course there was still money going towards this program to maintain the infrastructure.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Islam is a belief system, white isnt anything you can change.

People have crazy ideas, crazy ideas are crazy by nature, but its and idea.

White is a color that isnt crazy by nature(some dare say it is LOL)



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: xuenchen

Okay. Most of those white males are Christian. Should we have a Christian registry?

Also, Islam is a religion. A Muslim is a follower of Islam.


ISIS has a Christian registry already.



They also like to ban smoking, and guns too.

Two peas in the pod Obama and company and ISIS.

Who are the real terrorists ?


edit on 22-12-2016 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like Obama is attempting to send a clear and firm message to Trump about screening terrorists.



There's nothing Obama can do to stop Trump.

Hitler presided over the Jewish Holocaust.

Trump presides over the Muslim Holocaust.

The Christian Holocaust is way ahead of us, and there's got to be a reason for it when it comes.

The reason is being established now.

It's all Karma. The law of cause and effect.

Before any effect materializes, there's got to be a cause "preceding in time."

That's Trump's job.

Trump's main legacy will be to set up "the cause" for the future Christian persecutions that come when the Muslim Hoards invade the West.

All those FEMA camps, are the Muslim Concentration camps. Just like Germany had camps set up for the Jews.

History repeats itself, over and over.

It's only the players that change roles.

The themes are all the same.

Pick a group, persecute them, then get persecuted by their descendants in the future.

Same old, same old. The bible is full of the stories.

There's nothing new under the sun.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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Hitler presided over the Jewish Holocaust. Trump presides over the Muslim Holocaust.


There are less than 20 million Jews in the world.

There are over 1.5 billion muslims in the world.

Most of them don't want a Jewish state to exist.

That guy the op is talking about tried to RIG that states election.

So.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: rickymouse

The problem is, you cannot vet what is in someone's heart or their intent. Plenty of terrorists that act as lone-wolf operatives don't have a searchable criminal record or any indication that they are terrorists or will become one.

And when you couple that with the fact that, at least in many Middle-Eastern countries, the nations themselves keep terrible records, there is often not even a way to vet someone because information on them doesn't even exist.

I can, on the surface, support some sort of Immigration Probation type of system, where people are checked on regularly and have limitations as to what they can do for that period of time. But that gets into a lot of issues that go counter to my libertarian ideals, so it's a tough one.

I do, however, acknowledge that it is the role of the federal government to protect its citizens, first and foremost. Accepting immigrants and refugees should not be expected nor guaranteed to the rest of the world.



The thing is, to make it better for all people here in America, including the Muslims, we need to restrict these possible terrorists coming into our country till we can almost positively identify they are not a threat. Like I said, this country is not obligated to take a person here who has no evidence that they are safe to be here. If the person cannot supply good acceptable evidence then they should be denied. If they want to go to some other country......go.

Where in our constitution does it say that we have to allow disruptive people to come into our country.....nowhere. Where does it say we are not allowed to investigate the people wanting to come here....nowhere. I am not against Muslims coming here, just make sure they are safe, deny any that can't prove it. It is better for the Muslims living here too, they don't have to worry about their kids getting corrupted.

We should not have to worry about the middle eastern neighbors we have, lets fix this mess and try to all live together in harmony. We need these people to identify possible terrorists too, right now they are afraid to because the police can't do anything about them until they do something wrong. What is the use of contacting the police if they can't do anything.

Some bad ones who are good at deception will sneak through but now we are not doing much to stop anyone. A lot of Muslims that are already being coaxed into radicalizing are here, we should have done something about this years ago, instead Obama went the opposite way. He restricted the FBI from profiling anyone.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Sure. I think we should have a better registry of ALL immigrants. And actually, more black males kill more people in the US regarding murder.



In 2014, most (77.3 percent) of the 11,961 murder victims for whom supplemental data were received were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 1) Of the murder victims for whom race was known, 51.6 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 160 victims. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2) Nearly 48 percent (47.7) of all murders for which the UCR Program received supplemental data were single victim/single offender situations. (See Expanded Homicide Data Table 4) Of the offenders for whom gender was known, 88.2 percent were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3) When the race of the offender was known, 53.0 percent were black, 44.7 percent were white, and 2.3 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,132 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3)


Do you want to lock up black people?


where is this from? no link and 51.6% of victims were Black males, according to your source.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AMPTAH




Hitler presided over the Jewish Holocaust. Trump presides over the Muslim Holocaust.


There are less than 20 million Jews in the world.

There are over 1.5 billion muslims in the world.

Most of them don't want a Jewish state to exist.

That guy the op is talking about tried to RIG that states election.

So.


Most Jewish people, living in Isreal, say a Palestinian state doesn't exist nor ever should.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: AMPTAH




Hitler presided over the Jewish Holocaust. Trump presides over the Muslim Holocaust.


There are less than 20 million Jews in the world.

There are over 1.5 billion muslims in the world.

Most of them don't want a Jewish state to exist.

That guy the op is talking about tried to RIG that states election.

So.


Most Jewish people, living in Isreal, say a Palestinian state doesn't exist nor ever should.


It sure didn't 'exist' during the Ottoman empire.

Guess WHO those people were ?



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 04:13 PM
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There are times, not very often mind you, that I feel sorry for Obama...

This is one of those rare occasions. He's damned if he does, or if he doesn't... Dismantle what is, by some accounts, a rather useless piece of bureaucracy run amok, and you're pandering to your political party--or words to that effect. Don't dismantle, and you're somehow playing into the hands of racists and bigots...

Yep, there are times I feel for the guy.



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: LumenImagoDei

ONE is too many. What is your point?



posted on Dec, 22 2016 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I am not understanding why this "shuts down the possibility of Muslim registry"? couldn't Trump create a new process/department or anything of the such? this sounds pointless...



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