National Geographic’ just made history with its new cover--9 year Old Transgender Activist

a reply to: Annee
My ignorance is showing, really? No yours is just wait till he hits puberty and see what happens. What's he going to say when he receives his first oral sex "just pretend it's an elongated clitirous"? Men are supremely sexual creatures because we give life to the egg and seed our future as we are all mortal and inherently want to give our DNA to new life and create our own "immortality" so to speak. This is a fact for every male in the animal kingdom and this is no different for a transgender or not. Millions and millions of years made us this way and you are saying that in the last few years they not only changed the process of evolution but became a different species?

originally posted by: CrazyK22
a reply to: Annee
My ignorance is showing, really? No yours is just wait till he hits puberty and see what happens.

What the hell are you talking about?

This has nothing to do with DNA, sexual activity, or reproduction.

You're the kind who'd say Cancer doesn't exist because you don't believe it.

a reply to: Annee
I have no response to this as it maybe the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile. Going to bed you really prove the old saying men are from Mars women are from Venus, you literally make zero sense and now I have to go to bed filled with more liberal bullcrap stirring around in my head. Actually maybe I can use this to my advantage tommorow I should put a wig on and walk into a girls locker room. When I get busted I'll have the like minded individuals such as yourself to back me up when I claim I'm a woman, and didn't know any better SMFH! Who are you to judge whether I'm a woman or not!

KNOCK IT OFF

The personal attacks end now, as does the back and forth. This is not the Mud Pit, so civility is expected. Discuss the topic, not each other, or you may find your posting privileges suspended.

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a reply to: seasonal

Am I the only one who finds this disturbing considering certain recent events...I dunno...podesta emails?...

just...saying...

The reason this isn't a illness, per say, is because after transitioning they essentially get better. If a anorexic is enabled because the doctor encourages them to continue losing weight, what're the chances the anorexic gets better? Nil. Nada. They get worse. Is it a problem? Maybe, but it's treatable, like with the hormones (to make full transition) and social support.

So if I think I'm a fish and would be happier living in the ocean, let me! I "sink" or I swim. If I sink, it's an illness. If I swim, it still might be a problem, but given I can swim, it looks to be at worst treatable.

None of these children are transitioning on a whim. The doctors have very strict protocol to follow. It's not (foolish) gut feel as argued by some. The strict protocol arises from many years of research and practice.

I found this:
www.pbs.org - When Transgender Kids Transition, Medical Risks are Both Known and Unknown...

For earlier generations of transgender people, the only way to transition physically was through surgery or taking hormones as adults. However, new medical options are allowing transgender children to start the process of transitioning at younger ages.

But doctors tread carefully, navigating medical interventions that carry risks that are both known and unknown.

originally posted by: CrazyK22
a reply to: Annee
Actually maybe I can use this to my advantage tommorow I should put a wig on and walk into a girls locker room. When I get busted I'll have the like minded individuals such as yourself to back me up when I claim I'm a woman, and didn't know any better SMFH! Who are you to judge whether I'm a woman or not!

Sexual assaults are still illegal, enjoy jail. Unless you're actually fully committed. You might want to wait a bit longer than tomorrow, most of the people you're mocking have years of therapy, doctors and specialists to point to, and also have made body modifications in some respects, made legal changes in their identity, officially have changed licences and government documents to reflect this and have spent thousands of dollars.

But yeah, enjoy your perversion and purposely tarnishing all the image of people who actually do to transition reasonably acceptably by society, by the way, bravo on showing you disconnect yourself from this group, yet will represent this idea with your own thoughts. You essentially highlight the main issue, people that have this perversion are not actual Trans. You're going to hit the locker room? That's obviously what is advocated as the first step by the real Trans Community sexual predators. Transgender people have to do actual work like go to the Capital Building, Social Security Office, Therapist and Doctors. Maybe you should at least talk to the owner of the locker room. Don't be a tool.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: seasonal

Am I the only one who finds this disturbing considering certain recent events...I dunno...podesta emails?...

just...saying...

Transgender is a disorder. Not illness, not perversion.

Your brain tells you who you are. Gender Identity Disorder is when the brain is "wired" differently then the physical packaging.

It is a naturally occurring disorder. Basically born that way.

Hormone blockers have been proven safe (and reversible, without side effects) to delay physical changes of puberty until person is a legal adult and can then choose what further course they want to take. If any. Not all transgenders choose surgery.

disorder/dɪsˈɔːdə/
noun

a state of confusion

Explains the whole trans issue perfectly.

We shouldn't really be egging on confused kids, that's abuse.

originally posted by: liammc
disorder/dɪsˈɔːdə/
noun

a state of confusion

Explains the whole trans issue perfectly.

We shouldn't really be egging on confused kids, that's abuse.

Disorder also means an irregularity. Gender dysphoria is an irregularity. It happens when the hard wiring in the brain doesn't match the rest of the body. There is no way to "fix" the wiring in the brain with therapy or drugs when it comes to gender dysphoria. It has been tried for many, many years. That is why medical researchers and doctors recommend changing the body instead.

When a child is extremely insistent and persistent over a period of YEARS, even after therapy - a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is usually made by health care professionals. This is not something taken lightly - not by the parents and not by the healthcare professionals.

These healthcare professionals recommend that the parents allow the child with gender dysphoria to start by living as the gender they identify with, i.e., wearing girl clothes, growing out their hair, changing their name. These actions are seen to be much less harmful than forcing the child to live as the gender they do not identify with. When the child is forced to go against their identified gender, many other issues rise up, such as depression, lack of interest in school or playing with friends, even more drastic reactions like threatening (or even attempting) to commit suicide or to mutilate their own bodies. When allowed to live as their identified gender, they tend to be healthier, happier, do better in school.

No drugs are given to young children. No sex reassignment surgery happens to young children. If after YEARS of therapy, the young person still feels strongly gender dysphoric, the team of healthcare professional may recommend puberty blockers to hold off on puberty and allow the kid (and the whole family and medical team)to take some more time to assess the situation. Puberty blockers have been given for years to kids who start puberty way too early, so they aren't brand new with no idea of how they affect kids. They are known to be safe and totally reversible once stopped.

If after a few years on puberty blockers and MORE years of therapy, the kid still feels strongly about their gender dysphoria, it is at that time the healthcare professionals may recommend hormones. Unlike the puberty blockers, the hormones do have some permanent affects, so that's why they wait as long as possible to make absolutely sure the young person wants to proceed. The benefit of taking the hormones before puberty is completed is that they stop the permanent affects of puberty, like the adam's apple, the deep voice, the broad shoulders, etc. - all things that make it harder for a transgender female to transition successfully.

Sex reassignment surgery only happens after the young person becomes an adult, and only after healthcare professionals have assessed them and diagnosed that it is an appropriate next step for that person. Some actually get turned down for sex reassignment surgery, if the healthcare professional doesn't feel that person is ready for it, or that it's not an appropriate path for them.

I know I have probably wasted my time writing this post, but I had to at least put it out there to attempt to "explain the whole trans issue". At least better than the post I have replied to.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: liammc
disorder/dɪsˈɔːdə/
noun

a state of confusion

Explains the whole trans issue perfectly.

We shouldn't really be egging on confused kids, that's abuse.

Disorder also means an irregularity. Gender dysphoria is an irregularity. It happens when the hard wiring in the brain doesn't match the rest of the body. There is no way to "fix" the wiring in the brain with therapy or drugs when it comes to gender dysphoria. It has been tried for many, many years. That is why medical researchers and doctors recommend changing the body instead.

When a child is extremely insistent and persistent over a period of YEARS, even after therapy - a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is usually made by health care professionals. This is not something taken lightly - not by the parents and not by the healthcare professionals.

These healthcare professionals recommend that the parents allow the child with gender dysphoria to start by living as the gender they identify with, i.e., wearing girl clothes, growing out their hair, changing their name. These actions are seen to be much less harmful than forcing the child to live as the gender they do not identify with. When the child is forced to go against their identified gender, many other issues rise up, such as depression, lack of interest in school or playing with friends, even more drastic reactions like threatening (or even attempting) to commit suicide or to mutilate their own bodies. When allowed to live as their identified gender, they tend to be healthier, happier, do better in school.

No drugs are given to young children. No sex reassignment surgery happens to young children. If after YEARS of therapy, the young person still feels strongly gender dysphoric, the team of healthcare professional may recommend puberty blockers to hold off on puberty and allow the kid (and the whole family and medical team)to take some more time to assess the situation. Puberty blockers have been given for years to kids who start puberty way too early, so they aren't brand new with no idea of how they affect kids. They are known to be safe and totally reversible once stopped.

If after a few years on puberty blockers and MORE years of therapy, the kid still feels strongly about their gender dysphoria, it is at that time the healthcare professionals may recommend hormones. Unlike the puberty blockers, the hormones do have some permanent affects, so that's why they wait as long as possible to make absolutely sure the young person wants to proceed. The benefit of taking the hormones before puberty is completed is that they stop the permanent affects of puberty, like the adam's apple, the deep voice, the broad shoulders, etc. - all things that make it harder for a transgender female to transition successfully.

Sex reassignment surgery only happens after the young person becomes an adult, and only after healthcare professionals have assessed them and diagnosed that it is an appropriate next step for that person. Some actually get turned down for sex reassignment surgery, if the healthcare professional doesn't feel that person is ready for it, or that it's not an appropriate path for them.

I know I have probably wasted my time writing this post, but I had to at least put it out there to attempt to "explain the whole trans issue". At least better than the post I have replied to.

A big waste of time, did you think that big wall of crap was going to convince me of something?

a reply to: liammc

Yep you're right - some people just can't be educated. Doesn't change the facts though. I just listed the facts.

How goes the war?

Anyone changed their opinion yet?

Or only dug in?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: liammc

Yep you're right - some people just can't be educated. Doesn't change the facts though. I just listed the facts.

Why would I want to be educated by a stranger online who believes girls can turn into boys?

Are you having a laugh?

originally posted by: liammc

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: liammc

Yep you're right - some people just can't be educated. Doesn't change the facts though. I just listed the facts.

Why would I want to be educated by a stranger online who believes girls can turn into boys?

Who would you like to be educated by? Healthcare professionals?

Beyond talk therapy, many people choose to take at least some steps to bring their physical appearance in line with how they feel inside. They might change the way they dress or go by a different name. They may also take medicine or have surgery to change their appearance. Possible treatments include:

Puberty blockers -- A young person in early puberty with gender dysphoria might ask to be prescribed hormones (testosterone or estrogen) that would suppress physical changes. Before making that decision, the young person should talk with a pediatrician and sometimes a psychiatrist about the pros and cons of taking these hormones, especially at a young age.
Hormones – Teens or adults may take the hormones estrogen or testosterone to develop traits of the sex that they identify with.
Surgery – Some people choose to have complete sex-reassignment surgery. This used to be called a sex-change operation. But not everyone does. People may choose to have only some procedures done in order to bring their looks more in line with their feelings.

www.webmd.com...

Pre-pubescent children experiencing gender dysphoria are provided with counselling support, which may include supporting the child in some form of social transition. This might involve the child adopting clothing or an appearance that reflects their chosen sex.

However, no child experiencing gender dysphoria can access medical treatment that has irreversible consequences until they are at least 15 years of age, and only then after a multi-disciplinary team of experts has recommended treatment and Family Court approval has been obtained.

www.latrobe.edu.au...

a reply to: liammc

Girl or boy?

a reply to: kaylaluv
You didn't waste your time with that response it was well thought out, informative, and put together very well. Strange they speak of these missing connections in the brain but still have no idea how to actually fix them same thing with my OCD. I tried every medication for years and years and finally had to just accept my fate. The older I get the less of a problem it has been, always looking on the bright side with it. Funny I'm reminded of a story that was titled "Luckiest Man Alive" apparently his OCD was so bad he decided to take his own life. Only when he shot himself he severed the connection in the brain that caused the disorder, and went on to live a happy life. Not even sure if this was true cause you think he would be subject to the best research in decades on the matter, it affects millions and yet they just try to feed you SSRI's that for a lot of people do absolutely nothing to help. Not to mention all the horrific side effects of anti despressents, such as suicidal thoughts or behaviors.

a reply to: CrazyK22

Could it be that someday, science will figure out how to physically change the brain of a person with gender dysphoria so that they identify with their birth sex? Maybe. The brain and all its wiring, along with the intricate web of hormones and receptors is very, very complicated.

What we know right now, though, is the best way to treat a person with true gender dysphoria is to treat the dysphoria symptoms - and that includes things like changing the body to match the conscious identity. This recommended treatment has a MUCH better rate of success than trying to change the conscious identity to match the body.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: liammc

Girl or boy?

I don't know you tell me? Knowing your stance on this, it's probably a girl on hormones.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: CrazyK22

Could it be that someday, science will figure out how to physically change the brain of a person with gender dysphoria so that they identify with their birth sex? Maybe. The brain and all its wiring, along with the intricate web of hormones and receptors is very, very complicated.

What we know right now, though, is the best way to treat a person with true gender dysphoria is to treat the dysphoria symptoms - and that includes things like changing the body to match the conscious identity. This recommended treatment has a MUCH better rate of success than trying to change the conscious identity to match the body.

Wouldn't it be easier to figure out how to tweak the brain so that it matches the body, rather than physically rewire the whole thing?