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originally posted by: BlueMule
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
So you claim the right is corrupt. OK...but show your proof. Not conjecture, not "could be" but actual proof like that which was shown about the DNC. And as far as your comment about "assuming they are as bad or worse than Hillary"...you are doing so because you are bias. You are not using proof, truth or facts...just your "gut feeling".
And you know what they say about assuming...well obviously you do, just look at your avatar
There are of course plenty of corrupt republicans out there. Plenty have been caught, and many more will be. Do you want a list?
But you wouldn't know that by listening to you guys. Listening to trumpets, one might think corruption is only on the left.
Well, there are plenty of fools who fall for that. But the intelligent voter knows corruption is part of human nature and therefore is found on both sides of the isle.
Putin could release the republican emails he stole. That would prove that republicans are human too. As if anyone seriously doubts that republicans are corrupt too.
But I think he would rather hold on to those. I'm sure they make good leverage.
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE
Trump doesn't take responsibility for his actions he deflects and may give a half hearted apology. Trumps general rule in life seems to be even if I'm wrong I'm right. and will argue that point until people just give up from exhaustion.
The facts prove you wrong. If someone pays a fine, admits to a wrong-doing, by DEFINITION they are accepting that they did something wrong. You can't find a single example of that with Clinton except that she claims should wouldn't use personal email again for business.
You're just flat wrong on this.
Clinton apologized for the emails admitted it was a mistake she made. So by your logic shes good to go isn't she? Seems to me I see people arguing on here from only one point of view. One side fails to acknowledge the flaws and tries to deflect by pointing out the flaws in others. Reality Clintion lies reality Trump lies in fact everyone lies. Now the trick is to figure out what they are lying for? Is it ego, is it agenda, or is it monetary in nature . And then you have to decide once you know there or believe you do anyway if you can live with it. People around here need to flip things and start defending there choice not deflect blame to the other side.
Andrei Soldatov, co-author of Red Web, a book about Russia’s cybersecurity and use of the Internet to silence dissent, thinks that the likelier target of Moscow is not Trump but rather his now powerful party. “I doubt there can be any kompromat on Trump which can hurt him,” Soldatov said. “But the Republican Party is a different story.”
For Soldatov, the threatened publication of documents confirming rumors or alleged ties between Trump’s cabinet picks and the Russian government could be a useful tool to keep the administration in check. “Remember the story about a former Defense Intelligence Agency chief giving interviews to [Russian state propaganda channel] RT and being paid for that?” Soldatov said, referring to Flynn, who is now Trump’s national security advisor. “It would be bad enough simply to produce documentary evidence confirming things we already knew.”
A former Russian spymaster agrees with that assessment.
Oleg Kalugin was a KGB general in charge of operations in the United States; he also ran the First Chief Directorate’s K Branch, or arm of counterintelligence, which got up to the very sort of dirty tricks, or “active measures,” that state hacking of a political party amounts to. “In the old days, in my time, we relied on human efforts: penetration, handling, manipulating people from the inside,” Kalugin told The Daily Beast, noting that he wasn’t personally convinced the DNC and RNC hacks were done by the Russian government and not by “individual actors.”
Nevertheless, Kalugin allowed that if the FSB and GRU were responsible and Putin was now sitting on crucial information about various GOP officials, it would be reckless and dangerous to try and blackmail the White House directly. High-level officials, such as cabinet secretaries, have rarely been cultivated as spies or informants of Moscow, owing to what Kalugin characterizes as “potential repercussions.”
Middle and lower-cadre officials in the State Department or military-industrial complex are deemed easier and better marks for the spooks.
In this hypothetical, a heretofore semi-anonymous RNC staffer who may have written something professionally or personally damaging to himself is likelier to find himself approached by a Russian operative and offered a chance to switch sides than a member of the National Security Council.
“Just one man can destroy everything,” Kalugin said. “He doesn’t have to be the president.”
originally posted by: Kettu
The evidence is overwhelming, and its embarrassing to even attempt to refute the plausibility that the Russians were not involved
originally posted by: Voiceofthemajority
originally posted by: Kettu
The evidence is overwhelming, and its embarrassing to even attempt to refute the plausibility that the Russians were not involved
If the evidence is so "overwhelming" why didn't Hillary contest the election results? Why didn't the 3 state recount effort, specifically run to uncover evidence of russian involvement, end up discovering a single iota of any outside interference?
Republican National Committee Chairman and incoming White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus pushed back on a New York Times report that the RNC was hacked by Russians, saying that it is "absolutely not true" and even denied an earlier assessment from all 17 intelligence agencies that Russia was seeking to interfere with the U.S. election process.
"We contacted the FBI months ago when the [alleged hacking of the Democratic National Committee] issue came about. They reviewed all of our systems. We have hacking-detection systems in place, and the conclusion was then, as it was again two days ago when we went back to the FBI to ask them about this, that the RNC was not hacked," Priebus said today on ABC News' "This Week."
The Washington Post and The New York Times in separate reports late Friday said the CIA presented evidence to some government officials that Russia sought through hacking to help Trump win. The New York Times reported that intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russians hacked into both the Republican National Committee and Democratic National Committee’s internal communications but released only information they obtained from the Democratic committee in an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the Clinton campaign and the presidential election as a whole.
originally posted by: Kettu
So, let me get this straight...
1. CIA - It was the Russians
2. 17 intelligence agencies - It was the Russians
3. Our NATO allies - It was the Russians
4. Investigative journalists - It was the Russians
...
5. Trump supporters - Nothing to see here...?
Sounds to me like those pushing the Russia story are trying to drag the Republicans into it to deflect from the fact they have no evidence to show Russia hacked the election or the DNC. The whole Russia angle started with Democrats as an effort to counter the wikileaks actions.
originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Kettu
"FBI issued an unprecedented warning to state election officials urging them to be on the lookout for intrusions into their election systems and to take steps to upgrade security measures across the voting process, including voter registration, voter rolls and election-related websites. The confidential “flash” alert said investigators had detected attempts to penetrate election systems in several states.”
Notice they claimed to have detected 'attempts' to penetrate election systems. But no actual penetration has been proven and never anywhere did they mention Russia.
The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. ... [O]nly Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.
www.dni.gov...
Evidence that could publicly attribute responsibility for the DNC hack certainly exists at #NSA, but DNI traditionally objects to sharing.
— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) July 25, 2016
originally posted by: BlueMule
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE
Why, do you think democrats have managed to even the score since 2006, when they were down 17 - 3?
www.huffingtonpost.com...
If you want to use the bits and pieces the Russians have released in your list, I think we should wait until hackers do the same to your side.
originally posted by: Kettu
So, let me get this straight...
1. CIA - It was the Russians
2. 17 intelligence agencies - It was the Russians
3. Our NATO allies - It was the Russians
4. Investigative journalists - It was the Russians
...
5. Trump supporters - Nothing to see here...?