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Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: RickinVa
Glad they are confident.... I need them to be positive before we start military action against those damn Russians.

War is a nasty thing and since Russia has committed an open act of war..... oh wait...

They aren't 100% sure are they?

Nope,,, just confident.

They can't even prove any probing was done by the Russian government.

Thank for that link and backing up the fact there is no 100% proof, just suspicions.


Who said anything about war? Are you insane?

The question right now is how to deal with the Russians meddling in national affairs.

For a guy who worked in signal intelligence you sure don't know much about how the intelligence community works. Very few things are 100%. Please read up on Analytic Standards.

fas.org...

Intelligence estimates come with degrees of confidence.




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: RickinVa
Glad they are confident.... I need them to be positive before we start military action against those damn Russians.

War is a nasty thing and since Russia has committed an open act of war..... oh wait...

They aren't 100% sure are they?

Nope,,, just confident.

They can't even prove any probing was done by the Russian government.

Thank for that link and backing up the fact there is no 100% proof, just suspicions.


Who said anything about war? Are you insane?

The question right now is how to deal with the Russians meddling in national affairs.

For a guy who worked in signal intelligence you sure don't know much about how the intelligence community works. Very few things are 100%. Please read up on Analytic Standards.

fas.org...

Intelligence estimates come with degrees of confidence.


You don't believe that a country influencing another country's internal affairs isn't a act of war?

Wars have been started for way less.


The first step in this process is 100% undeniable proof.

The second step is to file a formal complaint with the UN against Russia.

The third step is economic sanctions or military action against Russia.


We haven't even got to step one yet, but people are claiming there is enough evidence to cancel an election?

Bullhockey.

When I see the US formally file a complaint with the United Nations against Russia from meddling in our elections, then I might believe it...until then... the evidence they have is not enough for that to happen.

Secondly, intelligence reports have been altered by the White House in the past to achieve their desired results... so no... I don't believe it until I see a formal action by the US government against Russia...until that happens...it is all smoke and mirrors.

If they had proof positive... the logical next step is the United Nations.... get back to me when that happens.
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: RickinVa


You don't believe that a country influencing another country's internal affairs isn't a act of war?

Wars have been started for way less.


Seems McCain agrees with you.

www.nytimes.com...


The first step in this process is 100% undeniable proof.


100% doesn't even factor into the normal ICD 203 scales. 100% confidence doesn't exist. "Almost certain" is about as good as it gets, which is what you're getting from ODNI and DHS in that press release.



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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense
a reply to: RickinVa


You don't believe that a country influencing another country's internal affairs isn't a act of war?

Wars have been started for way less.


Seems McCain agrees with you.

www.nytimes.com...


The first step in this process is 100% undeniable proof.


100% doesn't even factor into the normal ICD 203 scales. 100% confidence doesn't exist. "Almost certain" is about as good as it gets, which is what you're getting from ODNI and DHS in that press release.



Is "almost certain" justification for placing sanctions against a country or going to war with them?

War is a terrible thing to be based on something that is "almost certain".

People are calling for this election to be suspended because they are "almost certain" that the Russian influenced it.

Almost only counts in hand grenades, horse shoes and nuclear weapons.


PS: People in the intelligence community have many different areas of expertise.... I spent 17 years in a SAP program that dealt with very specific areas.
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: RickinVa
Glad they are confident.... I need them to be positive before we start military action against those damn Russians.

War is a nasty thing and since Russia has committed an open act of war..... oh wait...

They aren't 100% sure are they?

Nope,,, just confident.

They can't even prove any probing was done by the Russian government.

Thank for that link and backing up the fact there is no 100% proof, just suspicions.


Who said anything about war? Are you insane?


It's just idiotic rhetorical tactics absent substance ..ignore him..

Someone says "investigate"...he says "war with Russia"

Someone says 17 heads on National Intelligence have signed a letter saying it was Russia...he says...show me the name of the agent that traced the hack.

It's nonsense...Don't feed trolls.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: RickinVa
Glad they are confident.... I need them to be positive before we start military action against those damn Russians.

War is a nasty thing and since Russia has committed an open act of war..... oh wait...

They aren't 100% sure are they?

Nope,,, just confident.

They can't even prove any probing was done by the Russian government.

Thank for that link and backing up the fact there is no 100% proof, just suspicions.


Who said anything about war? Are you insane?


It's just idiotic rhetorical tactics absent substance ..ignore him..

Someone says "investigate"...he says "war with Russia"

Someone says 17 heads on National Intelligence have signed a letter saying it was Russia...he says...show me the name of the agent that traced the hack.

It's nonsense...Don't feed trolls.


BS... I asked for the names, positions and titles of the 17 heads you keep repeating... I can find tons of places regurgitating that "17 heads"..but I keep coming up short on the actual names of these 17 people.

You just said they all signed a letter.... they must have signed their names....

You got that list?

I am a troll? You keep claiming that 17 heads said this and that... what are the names of these 17 people?
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:04 PM
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DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
www.dhs.gov...

DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
www.dni.gov...



The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations.


Politifact


The 17 agencies are:
Air Force Intelligence,
Army Intelligence,
Central Intelligence Agency,
Coast Guard Intelligence,
Defense Intelligence Agency,
Energy Department,
Homeland Security Department,
State Department,
Treasury Department,
Drug Enforcement Administration,
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
Marine Corps Intelligence,
National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,
National Reconnaissance Office,
National Security Agency,
Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

We don’t know how many separate investigations into the attacks they were.

But the Director of National Intelligence, which speaks for the country’s 17 federal intelligence agencies, released a joint statement saying the intelligence community at large is confident that Russia is behind recent hacks into political organizations’ emails.

The statement sourced the attacks to the highest levels of the Russian government and said they are designed to interfere with the current election.

We rate Clinton’s statement True

www.politifact.com...

NOW:


The US intelligence community is increasingly confident that Russian meddling in the American election was intended to steer the election toward Donald Trump, multiple sources have said.

That revelation, first reported by CNN a week ago, went beyond the October statement by the 17 intelligence agencies that only said that Russia was seeking to undermine the election,

...

CIA believes the Russians hacked not only Democratic organizations but Republican groups too, but that they only published documents from Democrats.

www.cnn.com...
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:05 PM
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>> ThingsThatDontMakeSense
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originally posted by: RickinVa
Is "almost certain" justification for placing sanctions against a country or going to war with them?


That's up to our elected politicians to decide. This is why people are calling this a constitutional crisis, because if our elected officials are subverted the process of how we make decisions as a country is shot to hell.

The intelligence community simply looks at the data they've collected and they try to provide an aggregate value of the confidence of the data. This is the same method we've used in every modern form of engagement whether military or political.


War is a terrible thing to be based on something that is "almost certain".


"Almost certain" is as good as it gets in the intelligence world.

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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense


"Almost certain" is as good as it gets in the intelligence world.





Bump that for reality purposes.




Absolutes are for fools and idiots.


Trolls...don't forget trolls.
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
www.dhs.gov...

DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
www.dni.gov...



The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations.


Politifact


The 17 agencies are:
Air Force Intelligence,
Army Intelligence,
Central Intelligence Agency,
Coast Guard Intelligence,
Defense Intelligence Agency,
Energy Department,
Homeland Security Department,
State Department,
Treasury Department,
Drug Enforcement Administration,
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
Marine Corps Intelligence,
National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,
National Reconnaissance Office,
National Security Agency,
Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

We don’t know how many separate investigations into the attacks they were.

But the Director of National Intelligence, which speaks for the country’s 17 federal intelligence agencies, released a joint statement saying the intelligence community at large is confident that Russia is behind recent hacks into political organizations’ emails.

The statement sourced the attacks to the highest levels of the Russian government and said they are designed to interfere with the current election.

We rate Clinton’s statement True

www.politifact.com...




So you lied... 17 people didn't sign a letter.... It was letter signed by 1 person who supposedly spoke for the other 17...

Glad you cleared up your falsehood... carry on with your mission, whatever it is.


See that didn't hurt too bad did it?



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

As I mentioned to another poster:
Show us your concrete evidence. Responsible reporting 101, unless there is proof, it is simply propaganda. And that is a Fact. The great majority no longer trust MSM anymore. (and with good reason.)


Seems there is trouble in Lala land cause FBI disagrees.


Bonus: There is No Proof nor links that Russia was behind anything.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:17 PM
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www.dni.gov...


Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.



Nevertheless, DHS continues to urge state and local election officials to be vigilant and seek cybersecurity assistance from DHS.


www.wsbtv.com...


The Georgia Secretary of State is demanding answers from the Department of Homeland Security after an unsuccessful breach to the department’s firewall. Secretary of State Brian Kemp talked exclusively with Channel 2 investigative reporter Aaron Diamant on Thursday, saying he was “mad as hell” after what he called a massive cyberattack on the agency's network Nov. 15, traced back to a United States Department of Homeland Security IP address.



www.computerworld.com...


An IP address from the Department of Homeland Security was the source of an attempted breach of the state's voter registration database, according to Georgia's secretary of state.


Be careful who you decide to trust....... they might bite you back.
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Indigo5

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
www.dhs.gov...

DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
www.dni.gov...



The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations.


Politifact


The 17 agencies are:
Air Force Intelligence,
Army Intelligence,
Central Intelligence Agency,
Coast Guard Intelligence,
Defense Intelligence Agency,
Energy Department,
Homeland Security Department,
State Department,
Treasury Department,
Drug Enforcement Administration,
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
Marine Corps Intelligence,
National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,
National Reconnaissance Office,
National Security Agency,
Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

We don’t know how many separate investigations into the attacks they were.

But the Director of National Intelligence, which speaks for the country’s 17 federal intelligence agencies, released a joint statement saying the intelligence community at large is confident that Russia is behind recent hacks into political organizations’ emails.

The statement sourced the attacks to the highest levels of the Russian government and said they are designed to interfere with the current election.

We rate Clinton’s statement True

www.politifact.com...




So you lied... 17 people didn't sign a letter.... It was letter signed by 1 person who supposedly spoke for the other 17...

Glad you cleared up your falsehood... carry on with your mission, whatever it is.


See that didn't hurt too bad did it?



They lied again apparently there is 17 agencies that make up the US intelligence services. One of those agencies being the CIA said Russians were involved the other agencies said there was no evidence to support that and said the facts wre inconclusive. The media deceived people in to believing the report said Russians were involved it did not. However one agency made the argument for it in the report that being the CIA but couldn't get consensus among the other agencies. But of course people are playing this up and making false claims like 17 people involved in national security claim Russia tried to tamper with elections. Sometime fake news isn't so much fake as misleading like they are trying to do with this issue. What would have been concerning is if the NSA and army intelligence agreed that's there area. But of course they didn't.


Oh and to clarify for people who don't know the office of the director of national intelligence under there banner is
Air Force Intelligence
Department of the Treasury
Army Intelligence
Drug Enforcement Administration
Central Intelligence Agency
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Coast Guard Intelligence
Marine Corps Intelligence
Defense Intelligence Agency
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Department of Energy
National Reconnaissance Office
Department of Homeland Security
National Security Agency
Department of State
Navy Intelligence
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:30 PM
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Dammit... you posted facts!!!! We can't have that sort of stuff because....

well 17 people signed a letter saying the Russians did it.

Just disregard that video of the FBI not agreeing..... because that makes it 16 ....NSA didnt agree with that assessment either....I mean 15....Oopsy Army Intelligence disagreed as well.. okay 14...

no dammit... 17 people signed a letter!!! They all agreed!!!
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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The CIA is trying to claim that it is the russians "fault" that the DNC's corruption and attempt to manipulate the election became public and therefore the DNC is the poor victim and the russians are bad and together with them the republicans are bad because the DNC's plan of corrupting the elections did not work because of the russians.

So outing corruption is corrupt so lets add a made up story that the russians outed the corruption or else people will never accept that outing corruption is bad. Right, got it.


If that is what they come up with then they just landed the killing blow on themselves. Pretty obvious this is a last spazz and that they simply do not have the time to fabricate anything decent. This is so halfassed and rushed it's laughable at best.





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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

Now I'm confused. I thought we were talking about the recent closed door CIA briefing to select government leaders, but the links you provided is to a October letter (which btw says that intel couldn't say if the Russian gov was involved). I can't find the anything "official" re the new briefing. If you can help, I'd appreciate it.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: SgtEsquire

Nice find thanks!



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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So let's assume for a second that Putin goes on record and admits that yes they did try to influence our elections AND Russia was specifically trying to get Trump elected. What happens? If the EC breaks with tradition and votes for HC, Trump will sue (does anyone think he wouldn't?). Like the 2000 elections, it would go to the SC. Do we want the SC to say that the EC can vote how they want? What would that do to future elections?



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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DHS in collaboration with the NSA is tasked with finding holes throughout NIPRNET and SIPRNet. That's why their networks are being probed by internal agencies like DHS.


originally posted by: RickinVa
www.dni.gov...


originally posted by: RickinVa
Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.


Let's show the full thing shall we?



Either you're willfully trying to confuse things or you would make a terrible analyst.
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense
DHS in collaboration with the NSA is tasked with finding holes throughout NIPRNET and SIPRNet. That's why their networks are being probed by internal agencies like DHS.


originally posted by: RickinVa
www.dni.gov...


Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.


Let's show the full thing shall we?



Got anything more current than October?

Anything that proves all 17 agencies agreed with that assessment?


All you got is a letter from one person speaking for 17 agencies, whom not all agreed with that assessment.

Never said I was an analyst.... I just know better than to trust crap from the government, regardless of who it comes from.

Are you saying that the FBI, NSA and the others all are in agreement with that assessment? That clearly is not the case.


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