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Originally posted by Amuk
Let me step in and say lets keep this civil. I am looking forward to hearing from a wide range of people on this and dont want it to become a name calling contest.
Thanks
Originally posted by deesw
You are apparently taking everything out of context,,,, the old testament, while still read and studied is superceaded by the New Testament where after Christ died for our sins then those punishments are no longer needed.
Originally posted by thematrix
I hope that wasn't pointed at me, I was speaking in general.
Originally posted by Amuk
The point is not really if they are right NOW
but the fact that your God condones murdering women and children
Isn't God timeless? Has the statute of limitations ran out?
Originally posted by Amuk
I just dont want to see this turn into a Christians/Muslims are ICKY thread.
Originally posted by DrHoracid
Originally posted by Amuk
Dr. Horacid
Is it OK to kill men women and Childern of unbelievers if it is done for the "right" God?
Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
The list goes on and on where YOUR God tell his subjects to slaughter those that dont believe.
I have asked you this question on a couple other threads, I am sure you just overlooked it.
But I repeat the question
Is it OK to slaughter men, women and children without mercy as long as it is done for the "right" God? Is it only wrong when the "wrong" God says to do it?
As difficult as it is to understand, YES, we should do as "GOD" says. He is the "GOD" of Abraham. All other gods flow from Satan the great deceiver. Satan is confusion.
Is this direct enough?
That is what we are told, which makes him the God of Muhammed.
Horacid- He is the "GOD" of Abraham. All other gods flow from Satan the great deceiver.
Obviously you believe Jesus overrules the creator. Well that would be fine except we have this:
Jupiter- If you follow CHRIST'S actual teachings (not to be confused with the Church's as they are plainly different), then NO it is not OK to murder.
ANYONE who tells you differently, DOES NOT UNDERSTAND CHRIST'S TEACHINGS.
Which suggests that all of the orders given by God to kill, murder, maim, rape and mutilate were in fact not misunderstandings. Which in itself makes no sense since Christians firmly believe that the OT from the beginning tells them of Jesus’ coming to preach peace.
– syntaxer But I do believe the 2nd Testament was the coming of Jesus and it's "unspoken" goal of correcting the misunderstandings of the 1st Testament.
Yet we find God speaking of the death and destruction he will have Israel inflict on their enemies right up to Malachai. So what is it then, that God erred, and lied so that his son had to come and fix his mistakes? This is an omnipotent and all knowing God, remember?
syntaxer- God saw things were pretty messed up so he decided to send his son, Jesus, to Earth
This is the blessing then for all those who believe in Jesus to continue killing each other, because the sins have been cleansed, and specifically they would be Christians and Muslems.
deesw- You are apparently taking everything out of context,,,, the old testament, while still read and studied is superceaded by the New Testament where after Christ died for our sins then those punishments are no longer needed. He came to cleanse us of our sins and give us a chance at eternity with him.
Thatsjustweird- Again, what happened in the OT happened for a reason, and for that time period. It is NOT condoned today, please show me otherwise if it is.
And what reason would that be? What exactly has changed with the enemies of Israel of 5,000 years ago, and the enemies of Israel today that validates this statement? What exactly was that reason why "it" happened? What was the lesson learned that is different to the obliteration of all of mankind as foretold? And what exactly has he trumped given the above?
Off_ The_Street -He trumps politics and He also trumps all that Old Testament bloodthirsty stuff, Amuk
Is it all 10, or is it just the first two as some Christians were claiming in another thread?
llpoolej- Here are the Ten commandments. These are our rules for life. Plus the golden rule: Do unto others as you would have done to you
These 10 were given in Ex. Chapter 20, where the sixth was reinforced 21 verses later, where 2 verses after that God decrees the death penalty. Now lest anyone be confused about who carries out the death sentence, the answer is found in Numbers 35:19. God’s command thereafter was that he go and possess the lands he promised Moses. That I am afraid does not involve going and asking for it, or waltzing in and saying it is mine, get out!. It seems that the God of the slain has every right then to revenge also.
llpoolej- No, God does NOT command us to murder, quite the contrary
Originally posted by llpoolej
Where in the world do you see that Christians are told to kill infidels or kill those who aren't Christian. Have I missed something my whole life???
Here are the Ten commandments. These are our rules for life. Plus the golden rule: Do unto others as you would have done to you
No, God does NOT command us to murder, quite the contrary