Conspired Plot To Have Jesus Murdered

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: NOTurTypical

The Kingdom of GOD is a spiritual thing, it resides inside the body of a born-again believer

The soul, the real you is trapped in this husk. Heaven , the heavens, is all round you. You already reside there... don't you know that?

Wow, lol. Please watch the video. We are talking two different things right now.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

We aren't going to get anywhere if you can't even conceive the real you is your soul and it resides in the spirit world, the "heavens", right now. The real you is in heaven right now, but all your eyes see is the world, all your thoughts are directed outwardly to the world, people, places and things.


The lost in translation notion of heaven, it isn't a place it is everywhere. The spirit world is all around us right now. I know you don't deny that. The real you is a soul, you are in the spirit world right now, but so blinded by your senses you can't discern even the awareness of it, let alone the reality.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

What they were given was the gift of awareness of the truth. A guiding lamp before their feet along their path in life. What to do and how to behave along the way.

Nothing more. In other cultures this is called enlightenment.

Its a state of being, guided by reason and common sense (the light of truth).

The church has made it more complex, changed it into another narrative. Why, because it couldn't be that simple. People don't know what that means.

a reply to: intrptr

If what you said were true, then Jesus saying all sins men commit will be forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit would be pretty stupid. For one, blasphemy can only be committed against a deity, and secondly you cannot insult or blaspheme an abstract concept like "enlightenment".

Jesus said the Holy Spirit is a "He". One of the first rules of Biblical hermeneutics is "when the plain sense of the verse makes sense, seek no other sense."

a reply to: NOTurTypical

If what you said were true, then Jesus saying all sins men commit will be forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit would be pretty stupid.

His example to the woman at the well, "you'll be alright if you stop doing that", has turned into some kind of moment of resurrection in the spirit, a forgiveness of all sins, shazam!

Men wrote that.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit is a "He".

Men wrote that, too.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: NOTurTypical

intrptr: We aren't going to get anywhere if you can't even conceive the real you is your soul and it resides in the spirit world, the "heavens", right now. The real you is in heaven right now, but all your eyes see is the world, all your thoughts are directed outwardly to the world, people, places and things.

The real you is your non-physical 'beingness' *SOUL or IAM* eternal forever. This linear time/space existence is just a game (carnival ride) not real. Ones mind creates illusions/delusions that are false constructs.

intrptr: The lost in translation notion of heaven, it isn't a place it is everywhere. The spirit world is all around us right now. I know you don't deny that. The real you is a soul, you are in the spirit world right now, but so blinded by your senses you can't discern even the awareness of it, let alone the reality.

The five physical senses exist within the human vessel to protect it from predators; that is all. The mind functions to interpret what the senses experience; in other words fabricates plausable stories/explainations based in imagination. You are right intrptr.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: intrptr

If what you said were true, then Jesus saying all sins men commit will be forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit would be pretty stupid. For one, blasphemy can only be committed against a deity, and secondly you cannot insult or blaspheme an abstract concept like "enlightenment". Jesus said the Holy Spirit is a "He". One of the first rules of Biblical hermeneutics is "when the plain sense of the verse makes sense, seek no other sense."

How can you proclaim this? NO ONE IS IN CHARGE (of this planet) its religious dogmas, its systems of government. All is fakery; to keep you arguing and NOT seeking the prize: that of understanding your eternal beingness (why you are here) and what that concerns.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: NOTurTypical

The church has made it more complex, changed it into another narrative. Why, because it couldn't be that simple. People don't know what that means.

If the church knew anything in the first place (about enlightened views/tenants) they spent considerable time HIDING THEM; considered knowledge as a commodity to be reserved then sold piecemeal to those funding the building of the houses of worship by constituents seeking access or influence within the Church State in order to bribe favors.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Right, Jesus said something about the deceivers waiting at the very door turning seekers away. Thats church. People go there to get answers, the church tells them to just believe and everything will be fine. But come back every week to get 'forgiven' all over again.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Right, Jesus said something about the deceivers waiting at the very door turning seekers away. Thats church. People go there to get answers, the church tells them to just believe and everything will be fine. But come back every week to get 'forgiven' all over again.

The RCC famous for this; confess your sins each week to the mouthpiece for God and be forgiven. Its a nifty way to know your constituents, blackmail them or/and know all of the village secrets. Jesus was not ever about organized dogma; and would be horrified his teachings became a catechism, then a full on western Belief System Three Ring Circus.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
Refreshing to hear from you, as always.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
THAT HEROD! Knew he was given the GIFT that would keep on giving IN a most negative way yet for some reason accepted as *Satan's vigilante*;
(you realize he was rewarded in that current life for looking aside; purposeful/blindness; giving everything political back into Pilot's bloodied hands.

“Rewarded”!!!…? In what way…?

You do realise the rest of Herod's life wasn’t exactly plain sailing…he had to abandon ship…look for greener pastures elsewhere after the Romans lost faith in him or sold him out. At least his wife joined him in exile; very loyal ( first husband may not agree)

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
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I cannot think of more hated persons of interest regarding Jesus demise (Judas was a hired hand only, played a necessary role).

According to the story, Jesus can see many things, reads minds, sees future events, e.g. knows that Peter will deny him three times ect… How could Jesus be betrayed, and not know of it. According to the story Jesus does know yet goes along with it anyway, why; because it’s all part of the divine plan.

If it’s part of the divine plan how can Judas be seen as the bad guy in all of this…And then there’s the Gospel of Judas, where Jesus instructs Judas to hand him over. It’s all kinda bad but working for the good (supposedly); a true paradox…

What was the plan…? The plan was to FIT the old Story with the new story. Such as twelve disciples, born of a virgin, raise people from the dead, be crucified between 2 thieves, and be buried for 3 days and then be resurrected. (Not sure about the reigning for 1000 years part…maybe that will get added later) Historic Truths/People (Pilate and Herod for example) mixed in with mythos.

Problem is, the God Man (Jesus) sees all and knows all (except the end of course) and is pure and sinless, but at the same time must complete the New Story/Divine Plan. So for the story to work you need a scapegoat character to help hand him over…enter Judas…


- JC

a reply to: intrptr

Originally posted by intrptr
What they were given was the gift of awareness of the truth. A guiding lamp before their feet along their path in life. What to do and how to behave along the way.

Nothing more. In other cultures this is called enlightenment.

Its a state of being, guided by reason and common sense (the light of truth).

The church has made it more complex, changed it into another narrative. Why, because it couldn't be that simple. People don't know what that means.

Well, said.

The stories of the Bible have the truth encoded into them. Everything is a test of the individual’s heart, to help them in their spiritual journey; to help them go from point A to point B.

Yes, they were given the awareness of the truth, but the religion of men came in and misunderstood/distorted many of the teachings that Jesus gave…But some of what people think of as distortions do have a higher purpose…IMO

Mark 9:1
And he said to them, "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."

Matthew 16:28
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Luke 9:27
Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."

These verses above clearly show that this “Kingdom of God” is all around us, just like you stated in another post about the soul and Spirit etc.

All those verses above show that the Kingdom of God is not some distant future event that happens after death, because the verses clearly state that some of the disciples would come to know/experience the Kingdom “before they tasted death” etc…

And IMO in Matthew 16:28 the “Son of Man”, is a coded phrase for someone (anyone) who has been anointed in the Spirit, and recognized the Spirit within himself/herself.

Problem is, like you said, try telling that to Christians and they will just think it too simple to be true.


- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

Thanks for reading along and commenting. Everyone has that same source of wisdom flowing through them. Some have tuned it out or lost track. Others see clearly enough. Some actually behave properly. Thats the hardest part.

Going against what we know is right in our heart.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Joecroft

Thanks for reading along and commenting. Everyone has that same source of wisdom flowing through them. Some have tuned it out or lost track. Others see clearly enough. Some actually behave properly. Thats the hardest part.
Going against what we know is right in our heart.

Joe can wait. I must tell you; my heart tells me not to read scripture written by man. My mind tells to attempt it or at least open a dialog (EGO TALKING HERE) so as to now be in perpetual arguement over NOTHING of any substance. Belief systems are just that; a rope-a-dope commodity wherein influence or money is involved (exchanged).

originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
THAT HEROD! Knew he was given the GIFT that would keep on giving IN a most negative way yet for some reason accepted as *Satan's vigilante*; (you realize he was rewarded in that current life for looking aside; purposeful/blindness; giving everything political back into Pilot's bloodied hands.

JC: “Rewarded”!!!…? In what way…?

Would you like to be remembered as Jerusalem's Patriarch (governor) that murdered an innocent man?

JC: You do realise the rest of Herod's life wasn’t exactly plain sailing…he had to abandon ship…look for greener pastures elsewhere after the Romans lost faith in him or sold him out. At least his wife joined him in exile; very loyal ( first husband may not agree).

He was a corrupt fat'ed calf that enjoyed luxury while others within his domain suffered (he brokered Roman rule and all that this entailed); bled dry by foreign occupation.

VHB:I cannot think of more hated persons of interest regarding Jesus demise (Judas was a hired hand only, played a necessary role).

JC: According to the story, Jesus can see many things, reads minds, sees future events, e.g. knows that Peter will deny him three times ect… How could Jesus be betrayed, and not know of it. According to the story Jesus does know yet goes along with it anyway, why; because it’s all part of the divine plan.

Yes he is a trained Yogi, he is a 9 dimensional being from the Pleiades; stepped down to full fill his destiny as an Ascended Master in order to be of service to humanityi

JC: If it’s part of the divine plan how can Judas be seen as the bad guy in all of this…And then there’s the Gospel of Judas, where Jesus instructs Judas to hand him over. It’s all kinda bad but working for the good (supposedly); a true paradox…

Judas was hired before he incarnated to play a part in the Jesus Play. He is not a bad guy; he stepped into a role that needed playing; that of ultimate betrayer (I wonder if the suicide was scripted or he "improved" this).

JC: What was the plan…? The plan was to FIT the old Story with the new story. Such as twelve disciples, born of a virgin, raise people from the dead, be crucified between 2 thieves, and be buried for 3 days and then be resurrected. (Not sure about the reigning for 1000 years part…maybe that will get added later) Historic Truths/People (Pilate and Herod for example) mixed in with mythos.

All of the creation stories, all of the mythos say the same thing; just differing cultures and time periods is all. Its as if each one had to be covered; each as in all cultures in all time periods had to have the exact same remarkable story to tell.

JC: Problem is, the God Man (Jesus) sees all and knows all (except the end of course) and is pure and sinless, but at the same time must complete the New Story/Divine Plan. So for the story to work you need a scapegoat character to help hand him over…enter Judas…

Jesus does know all because he is a Gnostic (western term); but so do others: Yogis of high merit. They can only hint at what our destiny or purpose is, they will not tell the secrets; just as is so with Western trends because its against the rules of enlightenment, answers become questions. This whole forgiveness of sins is beyond me. Did Jesus ever talk about a father?

a reply to: vethumanbeing


Or... he was just a man, the son of a man, like every other. Born of woman from the womb, ate to sustain himself, slept to refresh, grew to manhood and died, just like any other man.

All that other stuff about yogis, ascended masters and the Pleiades?

Thats added on later.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: vethumanbeing


Or... he was just a man, the son of a man, like every other. Born of woman from the womb, ate to sustain himself, slept to refresh, grew to manhood and died, just like any other man.

All that other stuff about yogis, ascended masters and the Pleiades?

Thats added on later.

Yes, He was a man, but what was unique about Jesus Christ was instead of God breathing a brand new soul and spirit into His flesh in the womb, God Himself became that flesh in Mary's womb.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: vethumanbeing

intrptr: Or... he was just a man, the son of a man, like every other. Born of woman from the womb, ate to sustain himself, slept to refresh, grew to manhood and died, just like any other man. All that other stuff about yogis, ascended masters and the Pleiades? Thats added on later.

Nothing surprises me; if the game is exposed (manipulate the human) another cover up comes into being. Jesus was not just a man or never would gained such notoriety; neither were Buddha, Mohammed. I am sick of these prophets and why they were placed here gained a huge influence in creating belief systems of thought that are unsubstantiated. No one can say there is a God Father Creator and yet the veil was constructed to delude the human into thinking there is a prime being creator. That reason is to control us by others (posing as God but are demi-gods) even they do not not know GOD ABSOLUTE; and are terrified we will discover this ignorance within themselves.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: vethumanbeing


Or... he was just a man, the son of a man, like every other. Born of woman from the womb, ate to sustain himself, slept to refresh, grew to manhood and died, just like any other man.

All that other stuff about yogis, ascended masters and the Pleiades?

Thats added on later.

Yes, He was a man, but what was unique about Jesus Christ was instead of God breathing a brand new soul and spirit into His flesh in the womb, God Himself became that flesh in Mary's womb.

We are all expressions of "God"?! individualized (with personality/egocentric). We are IT as IT's flesh within a womb. You are God Itself becomes flesh in your Mothers womb in order to know Itself better; many ITSELVES. This is why Jesus called everyone "Brother/Sister". He was an Ascended Master that incarnated here to advance the state of mankind; a selfless and giving act of complete love and understanding. No idea why he signed up for this; he never wanted a religion/dogma created in his name.