Propulsion and Relativity

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1. Propulsion and 'going there' is really a dead-end issue. Nobody will be 'going spacefaring', even though it's got a romantic and exciting feel.

2. You can't have anti-gravity or space warping devices near planets or even solar systems. It would be destabilizing.

3. You are not going to be able to catalog the local group using chemical propulsion devices.

The best hope is to either genetically engineer a new type of being that is resistant to radiation and able to handle long-term isolation and other hazards, or to send out modified self-replication Von Neumann devices and 'bring the data' back to be entered in a Galactic Internet and explore via a holodeck type of interface.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

But its NOT ANTI GRAVITY in the Black Triangles. Of course no on in the WHITE WORLD has not done So called Anti gravity. Once something goes WHITE it cant be controlled anymore. What we have in the UFO's is a way for Gravity to not be able to pull on the atoms in the crafts mass. Gravity is still there BUT its not able to effect the craft anymore while the field is running. Another way to describe this is a Mass nullification field. It fools gravity into thinking there isnt anything there it should pull on.

What happens when you negate mass? You SIDESTEP relativity. You dont break it.

originally posted by: Maverick7
1. Propulsion and 'going there' is really a dead-end issue. Nobody will be 'going spacefaring', even though it's got a romantic and exciting feel.

2. You can't have anti-gravity or space warping devices near planets or even solar systems. It would be destabilizing.

3. You are not going to be able to catalog the local group using chemical propulsion devices.

The best hope is to either genetically engineer a new type of being that is resistant to radiation and able to handle long-term isolation and other hazards, or to send out modified self-replication Von Neumann devices and 'bring the data' back to be entered in a Galactic Internet and explore via a holodeck type of interface.

1. Aleady done but you wont see proof of it anytime soon.

2. Umm apparently you can because they have been spotted by reputable members here. The fields are SMALL and would not destabilize the universe.
3. youre prolly right on that one unless you are in the black level space programs

4. Oh noes radiationzzzzzz is gonna killlzzz meezzzzz. Please. They have shielding for that these days. And long term isolation in the black program dont even exist because the craft go places the white world would take thousands of years to go all the time. Can I prove this to you? No. but science cannot prove everything either.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Arbitrageur

But its NOT ANTI GRAVITY in the Black Triangles. Of course no on in the WHITE WORLD has not done So called Anti gravity. Once something goes WHITE it cant be controlled anymore. What we have in the UFO's is a way for Gravity to not be able to pull on the atoms in the crafts mass. Gravity is still there BUT its not able to effect the craft anymore while the field is running. Another way to describe this is a Mass nullification field. It fools gravity into thinking there isnt anything there it should pull on.

What happens when you negate mass? You SIDESTEP relativity. You dont break it.

you have to negate time to negate mass. yes you do break the bunk relativity

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Arbitrageur

But its NOT ANTI GRAVITY in the Black Triangles. Of course no on in the WHITE WORLD has not done So called Anti gravity. Once something goes WHITE it cant be controlled anymore. What we have in the UFO's is a way for Gravity to not be able to pull on the atoms in the crafts mass. Gravity is still there BUT its not able to effect the craft anymore while the field is running. Another way to describe this is a Mass nullification field. It fools gravity into thinking there isnt anything there it should pull on.

First of all, in the case of the ATS member who commented on the video with three chinese lanterns forming a silently hovering triangle, that they looked exactly like the silently hovering black triangle he witnessed, there is no anti-gravity and no mass nullification field. Gravity affects chinese lanterns normally.

Second, rigid hull airships, otherwise known as "blimps" can be made in a triangle shape if desired, and some have speculated some of the large black triangles sighted are those. Again, gravity functions normally on blimps but they can hover silently. Check out the 1975 book at the beginning of this video with blimps drawn on the cover, one with triangular shape:

Stealth TR3B 1975 Triangular Airship predecessor Dynair Ship - Area 51 - UFO



After that Lockheed Martin got a patent on a stealth blimp several decades ago. They made a surveillance blimp we know of and who knows how many we weren't told about:

thestealthblimp.com...

In 1981 the Navy contracted Lockheed Martin to develop a lighter-than-air (LTA) high altitude surveillance platform called HI-SPOT—HI Surveillance Platform for Over-the-horizon Targeting...

You might ask why the military kept pursuing airship technology when they have so many other options available. Its because the airship is the only technology that can provide very long term, silent, surveillance, the holy grail of military intelligence. This is the central reason behind my belief that these giant phantoms of the night belong to the department of defense.

Lockheed-Martin LMH-1 Airship

When fully built, the LMH-1 will be a 21 metric ton, 300-foot-long and 78-foot-tall airship

The three landing pads form a triangle, and the big fins on the back would give it sort of a triangular appearance as viewed from below. Who is to say they haven't already been secretly making 300 foot long triangular stealth blimps?

There are at least two problems with your highly speculative mass nullification field, one is that it doesn't work very well with our existing theories, and you've completely missed Occam's razor that triangle blimps could hover silently without needing any new physics.

Even if such a highly speculative thing as a "mass nullification field" existed that was outside any of our theories, it would still be anti-gravity the way anti-gravity is defined in Merriam-Webster:

www.merriam-webster.com...

Definition of antigravity

: reducing, canceling, or protecting against the effect of gravity

A mass nullification field would be reducing or canceling the effect of gravity on that mass, hence it would be anti-gravity. It's crazy to say it's not anti-gravity.

a reply to: Nochzwei

No Time does not break if you sidestep gravitys influence. thats what NEGATION of the EFFECT GRAVITY HAS ON THE SHIPS MASS COMES IN. Gravity HAS to pull on a object for TIME to be relative. (space time not HUman time)

@arbit

Yeah can a Blimp do a dead stop and then shoot straight up at over 1000 mph? Dont think so.
Also The way they Cancel gravitys effect is negating the weak force.

a reply to: yuppa

yes im also talking about space's time / or ambient time and not human time.
chk this out www.scribd.com...

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: yuppa

yes im also talking about space's time / or ambient time and not human time.
chk this out www.scribd.com...

HEres the thing though. SPeeding up time isnt BREAKING TIME though. Breaking time is totally stopping it.

a reply to: Nochzwei

negating gravity or anti-gravity is completely pointless.
gravity is a result of mass.

if you are going to try and push your anti gravity stuff, then you better also push anti impulse, anti inertia, anti momentum etc. which are also a result of mass.

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: Nochzwei

negating gravity or anti-gravity is completely pointless.
gravity is a result of mass.

if you are going to try and push your anti gravity stuff, then you better also push anti impulse, anti inertia, anti momentum etc. which are also a result of mass.

HEres the thing on that. MAking a objects mass ZERO negates gravitys effect and since time is tied to it also sideeteps the effect of time too since Einstein says they are connected. In reality the object stil has mass but gravity isnt able to pull on it. the Exaust of a ship like this would not be massless though. And therefore push the ship.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: yuppa

yes im also talking about space's time / or ambient time and not human time.
chk this out www.scribd.com...

HEres the thing though. SPeeding up time isnt BREAKING TIME though. Breaking time is totally stopping it.

im not speeding up time but slowing it. yes my machine is slowly stopping time / or dilating time. at one point it will totally stop and the whole machine will levitate above ground, but am not sure if it will stay in our universe. i have not gone that far yet, prolly will take a week of continuous running

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: Nochzwei

negating gravity or anti-gravity is completely pointless.
gravity is a result of mass.

if you are going to try and push your anti gravity stuff, then you better also push anti impulse, anti inertia, anti momentum etc. which are also a result of mass.

Im negating mass . so yes my machine will do all that you have posted

a reply to: Nochzwei

which is why you have anti gravity pasted everywhere instead of anti mass, yes.
yes, i forgot that your oversized inefficient heater could do what real scientists with unlimited funds cant or even theorize, purely because you can use your imagination to make it do whatever you want it to do.

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: Nochzwei

which is why you have anti gravity pasted everywhere instead of anti mass, yes.
yes, i forgot that your oversized inefficient heater could do what real scientists with unlimited funds cant or even theorize, purely because you can use your imagination to make it do whatever you want it to do.

are you blind to see what the video shows. can you not see 4 kg mass nullified?
and no its not a heater. the base rises as much as the top so your heater point is moot

a reply to: Nochzwei

oh?? and how did you measure mass loss?? by using a scale which is designed to measure weight???

oh and if i go by you describe at face value to your "proof" it would mean that the machine is lifting, again, anti gravity not anti mass.

so basically everything in your reply is describing anti-gravity, contrary to your new claims thats its actually anti-mass..

but whatever discussing that is irrelevant and this will be my last reply in this thread.
but im sure if you put your mind to it your "oversized inefficient heater" can go pick up your kids from school too.

a reply to: choos

Anti gravity for all practical purposes is anti mass ( not matter ) too. time coupled with dark matter gives mass to matter as we know it.

Lol i have kids, none that live with me tho

I'll chip in with my opinion on the subject, even though a whole lot hasn't been shown for it.

You're not going to have any demonstrable anti-gravity unless you can devise a means of producing negative energy. Why is that? Gravity apparently is a function of net energy density. You have to consider how much energy is contained in anything that is considered matter. And then you have to consider how much matter is in the objects being attracted to each other by gravity. Gravity really is one of the weakest forces, we only experience it the way we do as Earth and other planetary bodies happen to be so large.

However that doesn't mean there may not be some other work-arounds. So if you consider that mass is equal to energy (albeit contained in a super-dense package), and you know gravity has a relationship to that amount of energy as it occupies a volume of space, you notice that it's effect is independent of whether the energy has a negative or positive charge. It's the net of the total energy density independent of charge. So normally there are no electro nor magneto gravitic effects, as the defined system is typically considered neutral. But what would happen if the total charge of the mass were effectively shifted to be strongly positive or negative? In that case, I'd think you'd see a coupling of lorentz forces. Thus in a highly charged system an electro-gravitic or magneto-gravitic characteristic may apply. Since we know magnetic forces are coupled to electrical phenomena, it may be possible to use the effects of that. Following the curl rules, it should be able to produce forces tangental to the flow of current through a solenoid. Then again, nothing to that scale has been approached much, so the idea behind it is still speculative. A lot of that probably falls under Biefield-Brown theory though.

Going off that idea, I think the easiest way to test for this would be to devise a set of tests involving capacitors and solenoids in a free-fall that occurs in an extended vacuum chamber. One set of tests involving static solenoids the capacitor falls past, and another involving a set of solenoids attached to the capacitor which are electronically triggered to simulate the same magnetic effect as going past the static solenoid. Anything to it, you should be able to produce a deviation in the path while the main effect of acceleration is due to gravity.

So no "anti-gravity" per-se (at least with current known tech), but it doesn't mean there still might not be some interesting loopholes. It'll just take some novel approaches to finding them, and if they exist, exploiting them.

Antigravity and Black Holes - Dragan Slavkov Hajdukovic CERN, Geneva, Switzerland

"If confirmed existence of antigravity will become one of the most exciting discoveries in the human history opening an enormous field of research."

Link:

www.arxiv.org...

originally posted by: [post=21133259]pauljs75

You're not going to have any demonstrable anti-gravity unless you can devise a means of producing negative energy.

you are right but late to this party. Its been done

So no "anti-gravity" per-se (at least with current known tech), but it doesn't mean there still might not be some interesting loopholes. It'll just take some novel approaches to finding them, and if they exist, exploiting them.

wrong its been done. go here www.scribd.com...

rest of your post im afraid is garbage