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# Propulsion and Relativity

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posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 03:30 PM
a reply to: Nochzwei

no, nothing to do with me, and totally to do with you

posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 05:40 PM
a reply to: Nochzwei

...time is indeed physical as it is intinsically coupled to dark matter, which is nothing but electrons in the time domain

dark matter ? but it's an setup, just a name invented to rescue the theory that takes gravitation as the dominant force in the universe.
not existent.

time domain ?
I just told you time is not a thing, time is counting things that appear in a constant sequence.

There is no such thing as time per se.. time is what we call it if we count heartbeats for example.
time = one year is one earth's revolution around the sun.
time = one day is one earth's revolution around it's axis.
time = one second is roughly a heartbeat.

matter is a thing, you can throw a stone, therefore space is physical, the stone moves in it.
electric field is a thing, magnetic field is a thing.
gravity is just a name for what we observe what happens when you throw stones, but there is no way to grab it and manipulate it, like in case of electric or magnetic field where we can change those fields and manipulate things.
time is just counting and nothing else, you can't reverse it or jump in it, it's just a name for something, not a physical thing

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posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 06:28 PM
to Nochzwei

Catch is achieving anti gravity thru time dilation, which agrees with the gordon novel video from seven years earlier than the ark video. gordon novel also says in his video. to negate gravity , you have to negate time.

Yes, because space-time meaningfully undividable. Gordon is right.

Planets follow the time and dark matter compression curves around their suns or stars. The space is not bent per se, only the time and dark matter compression curves are bent.

so, you replaced the word 'space' with 'dark matter', big deal. How does it answer why the Moon in fact orbits the Earth? What's the mechanism with time and dark matter?

cheers)

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posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 06:33 PM
a reply to: greenreflections

No gordons a crack pot

posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 06:54 PM

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: greenreflections

No gordons a crack pot

I don't know who that is. He, as per Nochzwei, sees correlation between space and time or what ever he calls it.
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posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 08:19 PM

originally posted by: KrzYma
a reply to: Nochzwei

...time is indeed physical as it is intinsically coupled to dark matter, which is nothing but electrons in the time domain

dark matter ? but it's an setup, just a name invented to rescue the theory that takes gravitation as the dominant force in the universe.
not existent.

time domain ?
I just told you time is not a thing, time is counting things that appear in a constant sequence.

There is no such thing as time per se.. time is what we call it if we count heartbeats for example.
time = one year is one earth's revolution around the sun.
time = one day is one earth's revolution around it's axis.
time = one second is roughly a heartbeat.

matter is a thing, you can throw a stone, therefore space is physical, the stone moves in it.
electric field is a thing, magnetic field is a thing.
gravity is just a name for what we observe what happens when you throw stones, but there is no way to grab it and manipulate it, like in case of electric or magnetic field where we can change those fields and manipulate things.
time is just counting and nothing else, you can't reverse it or jump in it, it's just a name for something, not a physical thing

no time and time field is a thing that can be manipulated.
now this is cutting edge physics and largely still a uncharted territory

posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 08:24 PM

originally posted by: greenreflections
to Nochzwei

Catch is achieving anti gravity thru time dilation, which agrees with the gordon novel video from seven years earlier than the ark video. gordon novel also says in his video. to negate gravity , you have to negate time.

Yes, because space-time meaningfully undividable. Gordon is right.

Planets follow the time and dark matter compression curves around their suns or stars. The space is not bent per se, only the time and dark matter compression curves are bent.

so, you replaced the word 'space' with 'dark matter', big deal. How does it answer why the Moon in fact orbits the Earth? What's the mechanism with time and dark matter?

cheers)

Yes gordon was right. the moon orbits the earth for the same reason as planets orbits the sun. you could call time and dark matter as the higgs field that gives mass to matter. you take time and dark matter out and you get massless matter, the secret to FTL travel

posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 09:04 PM
a reply to: Arbitrageur

"they all fall on their faces" is quite ludicrous and fails to recognize how consistent with observation the theory is.

When you find the entire 3.2*10^54 kg of the universe then you can say that observation is consistent with theories but until then, Einsteins theories on gravitation and the speed limit of light is not quite living up to the hype.

Fortunately NASA has tested the speed of light by bouncing lasers of the moon here, Likewise it can be tested by revisiting the Roemer Experiment here. Perhaps the invariance cannot be detected in laboratories on earth because we cannot measure the true speed of objects within their own gravitational container, that being earth.

Which brings us to 4D Minkowski spacetime, I know there is evidence to support spacetime but also contradictory evidence like the lack of time dilution in pulsars, so whats going on. Perhaps its as simple as two clocks speeding away from each other, resulting in a net change of zero. If there are no absolute velocities in the universe then nothing dictates who's clock should slow down, so at best, time dilation is just an aberration of observing another object under acceleration.

Added... granted that I am a uneducated fool criticising an educated establishment. But I warn, don't argue with fools, they always bring you down to their standard, and win with experience.
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posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 10:30 PM
a reply to: glend

your posts certainly don't seem to suggest that you are uneducated mate

posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 10:37 PM
a reply to: Nochzwei

Thank you, but give me time.

posted on Sep, 3 2016 @ 10:54 PM
The electrical connection to gravity was made years ago, i repeated T.T.Browns experiments about 4 years ago and they were 100% conclusive. Podkletnov et al have also proven this. I really dont understand all the confusion. .......

posted on Sep, 5 2016 @ 01:14 PM
a reply to: glend

Dont bet against Einstein.

There is no accepted violation of EInsteinian relativity ever observed.

Pulsars decay exactly as predicted from gravitational radiation, with quantitative agreement.

That won a Nobel prize. During my undergraduate, a professor of mine suddenly bolted from teaching in the middle of the semester. I was annoyed, but later, he got the Nobel for what he discovered then, so i forgive him.

LIGO results confirm GR even in strong black hole curvature limits, another triumph for Einstein. This is also a lock for the Nobel.

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posted on Sep, 5 2016 @ 02:28 PM

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: glend

Dont bet against Einstein.

There is no accepted violation of EInsteinian relativity ever observed.

Oh really?
Don't the 2 clocks expt in the NIST lab prove him wrong?

posted on Sep, 6 2016 @ 07:40 PM
a reply to: KrzYma

time is counting things that appear in a constant sequence.

There is no such thing as time per se.

the word 'sequence' reminds of the word 'quanta' as the sequence of.

Time there is, I think.

'Time' does not need distance or volume, like distance from point A to point B. My body senses can experience time when I walk into the river up to my ankles. I would feel water flow and as long as I feel the flow, time exists. There is no 'distance' of what my senses are sensing in this case. It is called 'duration'.

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posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 09:37 AM
These 'anti-gravity' ideas are all very cute but gravity only works one way, it attracts and nothing else. When researchers play with an intense magnetic field they should not be suprised if apparent remote effects are observed - but they are. The US Navy has been developing a rail gun for projectiles and when the circuit is completed (current applied to rail) an enormous magnetic field is generated. Normally in the case of a household transformer, a transformer core is needed to enable transfer of magnetic flux. The navy rail gun has such a high flux rate that the surrounding air is utilised for magnetic flux transfer. Back to our researchers; if an magnetic field sometimes knocks over objects in the next room it shouldn't be a surprise - and it certainly shouldn't warrant a research paper claiming a new force of anti-gravity.

posted on Sep, 7 2016 @ 04:44 PM
@Greenreflections;
Ah, not really. What you call 'duration' is, on the microscopic scale, just movement of atoms triggered by energy flow. Most of this is thermal energy, if you froze everything around you to -273 degrees C then time would effectively stop, from your viewpoint. Electrons will still be spinning, neutrinos will still be flying, but from your viewpoint everything has stopped.

Our modern concept of time involves counting oscillations & changes in electron shell energy levels in the Caesium 133 atom, hence the name atomic clock.

We assume that these oscillations are always the same, but how do we know for sure? How do we know the caesium isnt affected by local magnetic, electrical, or gravitational fields?
We don't, but hey that's OK because we fixed it by definition just like we did the speed of light & the gravitational constant.

These may in fact all be variable, but the establishment won't hear of it.

Remember that mad recirculating laser experiment to prove time travel? what happened to it? Kind of fizzled out, but it may be possible to send electrons into the future, now that's a start..

@Cinnamon; Correct, you either have gravity or an absence of it, so there is no 'anti' per se'. We prefer the term 'gravity control'

Listen very carefully i vill say zis only once; When you remove the mass from an object, it is no longer bound by Einstein or Newton or any other human 'law'...Take the 'M' out of 1/2MV^2 or E=MC^2 and you see the picture......
i hope...

posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 06:53 PM
a reply to: Nochzwei

Yes gordon was right. the moon orbits the earth for the same reason as planets orbits the sun.

No, he was right seeing correlation between time and the rest of the cosmos. What is mechanism of the effect of gravity as per you? Why the Moon orbits the Earth? How does this happen as per step by step?

IMO, to counter the effect of gravity, say from Earth (to lift payload into orbit), an amplified, highly concentrated source of gravity has to be in front of the ship to make it move..fall into it, or the source already in orbit as an array pulling stuff off the ground.

So, why the Moon orbits the Earth? This is important as you claimed an anty gravity machine.

thanks)

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posted on Sep, 8 2016 @ 07:59 PM
a reply to: playswithmachines

Freezing things to absolute zero does not stop time... that statement is just absolutely incorrect. If it was correct, you would be able to stop radioactivity or modify it by changing the temperature of those isotopes... this is simply not what we see at all and has been tested at the mili-kelvin scale by Dark Matter searches.

CDMS holds crystals at a temperature of roughly 0.001 - 0.01 K they observe propagation of ions through their crystals, propagation of lattice vibrations through the crystals and radioactivity... oh yes and guess what... time is not frozen as you describe.

posted on Sep, 9 2016 @ 07:02 PM
a reply to: ErosA433

Well, technically that absolute zero consists of ground state kinetic energy but not nuclear potential energy, which isn't QUITE absolute zero

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posted on Sep, 10 2016 @ 06:26 PM
a reply to: playswithmachines

Ah, not really. What you call 'duration' is, on the microscopic scale, just movement of atoms triggered by energy flow

Right. I agree.

My view is that human body can be thought of as one (united.. out of many) sensor array, which has been adapted via Evolution to sense all vital energy frequencies. Those sensors, like your hearing, sight, skin, are undergoing constant bombardment of particles, as a result, sensors readings combined and processed, give us the state of affairs from surrounding environment.

In this view no 'distance' of 'volume' concept is needed to ascribe time. My bottom line, is that time most closely corresponds with 'motion' rather than 'space' and 'volume' where things can move from point A to point B.

Most of this is thermal energy, if you froze everything around you to -273 degrees C then time would effectively stop, from your viewpoint. Electrons will still be spinning, neutrinos will still be flying, but from your viewpoint everything has stopped.

Probably yes. But absolute zero is similar in concept to 'singularity' or 'infinity' in general. Zero degrees simply a math construct and never has been achieved. So is singularity..These are math assumptions, with valid implications, once come to resolution, but are not a physical fact.

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