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A Critical Look at The Mandela Effect - ME & its relation to CERN & Meme Theory

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posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 02:32 PM
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Mandela Effect & CERN/LHC

Whether or not Mandela Effect is fictitious is neither here nor there, since John Ellis has a history of leaving hidden messages around.





You see, because even if ME is simply explained by a psychological effect, it doesn't totally explain the popularity or the memetic recognition or dissemination of it. Anyone who's studied meme-theory knows that there is much more to most topics than the general push & shove seen on the surface.



Bond#1 was Barry Nelson - Mandela = the hidden message in this picture is literally 'Nelson Mandela'.

If it is just a psychological phenomena, the question then becomes is the meme a natural, organic response? Or is it possible 'Mandela Effect' as its known and disseminated, was a piece of psychological warfare aimed at covering up some other phenomenon unrealized by those distracted with ME.

John Titor - The time travelling internet savant (or hoax, however you wish to interpret it) predicted CERN would be discovering something related to multiple universes and time travel back in 2000/2001.


TimeTravel_0 : CERN will discover some very odd things as a result of their high energy experiments.
TimeTravel_0 : in about a year.
TimeTravel_0 : from your point of view.
wyrmkin_37 : cern?
TimeTravel_0 : in Geneva.
Yareisa : particle accelerator
wyrmkin_37 : oh
TimeTravel_0 : They will accidently create microsingularities.
G° : makes things go round and hit each other...
TimeTravel_0 : Which will evaporate very quickly.
wyrmkin_37 : one in texas?
TimeTravel_0 : and create a massive ammount of X-ray and Gamma rays.
TimeTravel_0 : It will puzzle them for a while.
TimeTravel_0 : Until they figure out how to add and elcrtical charge and capture these strange odd and massive particles in a magnetic field.
wyrmkin_37 : they shoot electrons at the speed of light.......see what they bust up into
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
G° : still with you...
wyrmkin_37 : quarks
TimeTravel_0 : If you bombard a singularity with electrons...
TimeTravel_0 : you can alter the size of its event horizon.
TimeTravel_0 : and thus its gravitational field.
TimeTravel_0 : By overlapping these fields from two singularities...
TimeTravel_0 : you can travel forward and backward through time.


The point is not whether or not Titor was an actual time traveller or not. It's that he seemingly made predictions on an 'alternate-timeline' with slight variation, he mentioned CERN experiments directly related to time-travel and made predictions that, at the time seemed impossible or improbable, yet, in a universe with slight variations they were surprisingly similar only off by a decade or so, and some did not come to pass fully.

For instance CERN or LHC experiments rather began in 2008, but he stated 2000-'01 in his reality they begun there, but their actions in research is tied to time-travel, etc.

There's two kinds of hypotheses centred around CERN/LHC and what might be causing ME or how its related to it. Again, because we are talking about the meme behind ME, we don't need to address whether these claims are real or corroborated, so much as 'do they seem plausible' by the people exposed to them:

There's also an idea that experiments are affecting other universes. and it's directly related to the SHIVA statue at CERN. Shiva being 'destroyer of worlds'. String theorists, Holger B. Nielsen & Masao Ninomiya questioned whether or not the HIggs was travelling back in time to prevent itself from being discovered and another hypothesis is centred around another particle which is predicted to send information through time, (though I can't find the link right now) it basically posits that while nothing is actually changing, information is being sent back to people, in a type of non-local communication affecting their brains.

Delores Cannon, who had a long career doing past-life hypnotic regressions, stated in her findings there was 3 waves of volunteers, who signed up to be reborn into Earth, because of a cataclysmic event underway, and it has relations to experiments at the LHC and the spiritual awakening in humans, and there's a larger correlation and tie-in to multiple universes and the fabric of space/consciousness & reality. - More on that here.

All of this can be absolute 100% bunk that's fine. You still can't ignore the implications of the meme its part of. Even if it's totally bogus, the reality of it manifesting is not. In that sense, one has to consider the psy-op potential, that all of it could be some kind of psychological manipulation or social engineering program.

Even the most mainstream and forgiving accounts of MK ULTRA, state the following: 1-The Nazis were engaged in various occult, psychological and other experiments. Most of this research, along with the top minds of the Nazi-research-establihsment were transferred over to the US in Operation PAPERCLIP. Allen Dulles (connected to pre-WWII Nazi business and political dealings) approved MK ULTRA program. The documented history of MK-programs & subprograms was destroyed after Watergate (except for 20,000 documents).

MK sub programs involved first chairman of the World Psychiatric Association as well as president of the American and Canadian psychiatric associations, where he broke peoples' minds with long term L-S-D dosing in massive amounts. Electro shock treatments. And 'other' experiments. They would then regard their captors as mom or dad. In other words, the foundation of the modern psychiatric establishment was founded on perverse mind experiments and torture. There were also efforts where they dosed an entire town with L-S-D. And a number of other twisted experiments. Then you also have social-engineering, psychological warfare & civilian targeted COINTELPRO operations. Much of which, there remains missing data on, or its simply not disclosed as the government outsourced experiments and operations as much as it allowed or failed in having many disclosed.

In summary: Even if Mandela Effect is not an actual physical phenomena, it may be a psychological operation, meant to draw people to it as a believed phenomena. And if that's the case you then have to wonder: for what purpose(?). There are certain conspiracies and memes that get way more attention than they deserve. Others (like ME) that severely murky certain waters. They absolutely have a useful result if the aim is to prevent people from understanding a specific event, type of thought or understanding. The question becomes "what" then.

It's much like the 'Flat Earth Theory'. Flat Earthers had about a dozen or so people back in the late 90s and early '00s. They were the absolute bottom of the pits, in alternative research and conspiracy. Yet, now it's heavily promoted. Why? I posit that it's currently being used to distract from other very real secrets.


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posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 02:37 PM
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In Summary: The point Im making is that even if the Mandela Effect is 'fictitious' as some people like to chime in on the boards, or they are prone to attack or explain it away with the most prosaic or mainstream explanation possible, there may be more to it than that. Even if it doesn't have a supernatural answer, it doesn't mean that the propagation of the meme is natural or organic.

The very action of two sides debating whether or not its a supernatural effect, or that it's an easily explainable phenomena when dealing with certain words or memories, and that there's nothing more to be said on the matter, is in itself, potentially the very result whoever is behind it as a social construct, was aiming to achieve.

With the effort that's been made in the last ~70 years to control thought, change societal views and worldview, I think it's very arrogant and ignorant to simply 'solve' every question that comes along. We know for certain there are people out there purposely working very hard to program society with very succinct and determined methodologies. This programming is burrowed into our media outlets, popular and taught histories, in entertainment, etc-basically everywhere. We know much of it was bred from influential organizations tied to very powerful elite dynasties who have a controlling influence over the world. And, if you've read Hillary Clinton's email leaks you also know that these controlling influences involved in world politics, government and business, also have a deep connection to occultism, and make occult references and employ secret societal hierarchies. I will likely be making a post on some of this stuff soon, to show where evidence can be found for these things, but I do assure you it's all very real and documented, though totally ignored or overlooked by most.

In short, or TL : DR - basically, the people controlling the world are very much into Occultism, secret doctrines and hidden knowledge, but they aim and work to hide all of this, while at the same time engineering common beliefs to reject these things outright. You are taught to reject all that isn't mainstream or useful to establishment. While the leaders and manipulators are using the very things you reject to maintain their influence.

I ran out of characters in the first post, but I meant to clarify the 'Nelson Mandela' secret message from the "Happy" song at CERN. Bond#1 = Barry Nelson the first James Bond. Most incorrectly attribute Sean Connery as the first bond. Casino Royale, a 1954 TV adaptation is technically the first Bond ever done, outside of books.

Bond#1 therefore = Barry Nelson and below that is Mandela which = Nelson Mandela. In a hidden message, in CERN, on a popular music video. The "Illumnati" as a controlling influence has been easily dismissed and derided over recent years. Mainly because the caricature of information promulgated. Many of us look at the 'illuminati'-conspiracy related topics and shake our head, as they are all usually quite overboard, and to most reasoned peoples it seems the propagators have their tin-foil on too tight. But perhaps that was the idea of it.

Because 'Illuminati' doesn't seem to be a term designated by the tin-foil crowd, rather it was actually given to it by its members [or perhaps enemies?].



The point being is that the name, function and reality does seem to have more legs than people give credit. Though it's hard to discern in a sea of garbage information purposely injected. What does appear to exist however...a group of very powerful powers that be, with occultist-secretive societies (from the outside), with controlling influence, and these groups really do insert messages into their media. From what I've seen it's either a belief that forewarning of all actions negates moral obligations (which is seeded in some types of deity worship), or blatant messages to their enemies - essentially a battle-cry or drums of war, meant to intimidate and demoralize those that oppose them.

In short, there is 100% something to hidden messages being displayed in the media. There is also very strong correlations, and I would even say 'hard evidence' though a perfect link will likely never be shown, as the nature of these things is secretive to begin with. Ignoring them however, is folly.











Symbolism is very important to secret societies and in occult beliefs, in various magick and deity worship. One or two coincidences is fine, but when there are numerous, and they all connect back to the most influential banking powers and organizations that seek to shape and influence society, while destroying cultures and certain ethnic groups, you have a problem that needs recognition, and the veil of secrecy lifted.



In short, in relation to Mandela Effect, or Flat Earth or any popularly promoted 'conspiracies' or alternative theories, they are being heavily influenced these days. Just like how political groups have taken over conspiracy sites to make it all about politics. Just like how the UFO/Alien topic has been derided for the last 50 years. Just like how serious debate on topics is ignored, and ridiculous caricatures are disseminated, these are all efforts to prevent rational, reasoned debate on these subjects. Whether its the subject at hand or another, very often there is purpose to it. Simply ignoring or pretending it doesn't exist, whether physically or as a psy-op (influenced thought), is doing exactly what expected of you.
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posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: boncho


In summary: Even if Mandela Effect is not an actual physical phenomena, it may be a psychological operation, meant to draw people to it as a believed phenomena. And if that's the case you then have to wonder: for what purpose(?).

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion but I agree. Its a psyop.

So people won't go WTH when they (the Victors) change (rewrite) the past. We go okay, its Mandella (instead of lies) and turn back to our grindstones.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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I would also very much like to know what "Inflation is a lie" means to whomever wrote it.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

I would also very much like to know what "Inflation is a lie" means to whomever wrote it.


There's a link at the very top, linked to an article that talks about it. I think it was the same article I read a few weeks ago, which was a pretty good read. It's a hidden message critical of science establishment, or perhaps what's allowed and what isn't. If I remember correctly.

Edit: Nope, this one only has a little blurb. Whoops. Not sure where the other is, but it had a pretty good write up. In any case, the link provided still has an outline:


Enlargements of the political message of dogmatic consensus based “mainstream science”. Inflation and SUSY are complex epicycle type interpretations of evidence which survive by dominating the landscape, effectively squashing attempts to get the mainstream to investigate other options that actually work and make useful predictions that have been confirmed afterwards.

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posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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I see, I thought maybe it had to do with expansion of the Universe.

Inflation of ideas not well grounded in research and established protocols, then?

Like how small is the smallest particle? I was thinking as an analogy, shrink the entire solar system to the size of an atom, sun, planets, Ort cloud and everything. Then begin striking the atom sized solar system with energetic particles and try to measure which bits fly out.

Theres a billion bits in each star system, probably the same in each atom, too.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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Caution, America is long due from falling and we should have space technology by now.
There is a reason why everyone else calls the white race devils. Too much time travel by the white race have already effected the world. Either forward or backwards. It has been planned or pre-planned for White race to win. When China starts disappearing you know your screwed. Simply stop poking the dragon.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 03:46 PM
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Nice post! I just want to say there are times when I think the whole ME thing could be happening and there is other times I think it's just confabulation.


In psychiatry, confabulation (verb: confabulate) is a memory disturbance, defined as the production of fabricated, distorted or misinterpreted memories about oneself or the world, without the conscious intention to deceive. Individuals who confabulate present incorrect memories ranging from "subtle alterations to bizarre fabrications", and are generally very confident about their recollections, despite contradictory evidence.



Notable examples Mandela effect An internet meme related to confabulation is the Mandela Effect, a situation where a number of people have memories that are different from available evidence. The term was coined by paranormal enthusiast Fiona Broome, who says she and other people remember Nelson Mandela dying in 1980s, rather than in 2013. She argues that common memories which appear mistaken could be explained by the existence of parallel universes that are able to interact with each other. A common thread of discussion regarding this "effect" is remembering the Berenstain Bears with a different spelling.

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posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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In physical cosmology, cosmic inflation, cosmological inflation, or just inflation is a theory of exponential expansion of space in the early universe.


Inflation


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posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: boncho

Before I go through some of your links..
some posts I made yesterday..



sry got spooked.
and can no loner confirm anything I was posting as psy op or as not psy op so just incase it was a psyop I accidentally played a role in I have removed my post.


I had a very long post in that spot about Jupiter Rising and how it seemed like a deliberate confusion and evidence about sock puppet accounts in comment sections.. much more but then I found what appeared to be deliberately faked Mandela Effects...



sure I'll watch, but now im onto something...
I don't know what to think anymore.




went back to some of my high strangeness period.. reading posts.. Now I really don't know what to think. Ever fall down two rabbit holes at once and you don't know which one is 'correct' None of it makes any sense.. this just gets deeper and weirder..
so maybe it's time for another ATS break.

was trying to prove something I remembered a long time ago. Kind of wish I had not.
went way too deep and found someone who sounds just like me off of ATS, came back to ATS and he says "you ARE me" which that girl said too, and she and him were both obsessed with time travel, both said I was a time traveler, which I denied, but they saw through that..

LOL



So basically I went through your entire OP yesterday in my own mind, and here you go and post every aspect of it..

I'm so confused now..


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posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: intrptr


I see, I thought maybe it had to do with expansion of the Universe.

Inflation of ideas not well grounded in research and established protocols, then?



Yes, it has everything to do with expansion of the universe. Exactly that. Inflation theory. But the reason it was posted on the board, is another reason all-together. That's what I meant.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:23 PM
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So basically I went through your entire OP yesterday in my own mind, and here you go and post every aspect of it..

I'm so confused now..


That's called the Deja-Vu-Dela Effect. It's from two universes collapsing on themselves and time-shifting a few days apart as they re-collide into one another....or possibly stomach gas, brought on by lactose intolerance, or beans.




posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:23 PM
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It's interesting that somebody as prominent John Ellis would take part in the Mandela goings on. Could it be that he heard rumors on the internet that this Mandela thing was blamed on CERN so he thought it would be funny to put a cryptic 'Mandela' sign around his neck to get people going?

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Or maybe more to it..

Interesting post.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: nOraKat

he seems like a funny guy,
but I would suspect if he's like me the reason he's in science to find the truth, would make him frown on a joke that misleads people, but then again if he's just being funny it's kind of an awesome joke.




posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:38 PM
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Thought provoking post and very interesting. Thanks Boncho.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:43 PM
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Man I've been getting Deja-Vu-Dela-ed HARD these last few days..

wait that sounded bad.


I'm a bit dazed. I edited a lot of my posts lately, because I only want to get to the truth, but my live journey through crazy waters could be dangerous for other people to see, especially if I'm being purposefully mis led.

but then again, something about this life feels like a giant joke and the punchline is about to drop.




posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: intrptr



In physical cosmology, cosmic inflation, cosmological inflation, or just inflation is a theory of exponential expansion of space in the early universe.


Inflation


Imo, eternity is without beginning or end.

Infinite space goes on forever. The universe has always been there.

If that guy thinks inflation (Expanding Universe) is a lie and he wrote that on his chalkboard, I agree with him.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: boncho
a reply to: intrptr


I see, I thought maybe it had to do with expansion of the Universe.

Inflation of ideas not well grounded in research and established protocols, then?



Yes, it has everything to do with expansion of the universe. Exactly that. Inflation theory. But the reason it was posted on the board, is another reason all-together. That's what I meant.

And thats your interpretation of what was meant by it, or his?



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 05:18 PM
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well inflation and expansion are not exactly the same things

from the same link


Following the inflationary period, the Universe continues to expand, but at a less rapid rate.[1]


inflation is just the part of the theory that happened in fractions of fractions of fractions of a second after the big bang.

he's saying that part is wrong I agree with him.

the universe is surely expanding of course, based on all observations. Like watching cars drive away into darkness..
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posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 05:18 PM
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Interesting thread.



Bond#1 was Barry Nelson - Mandela = the hidden message in this picture is literally 'Nelson Mandela'.


My research led me feel this would be John Dee.



Bacon would also get to meet in the Court circles the man who had tutored Leicester and advised Elizabeth on matters of state -the man whom Ian Fleming modeled his 007 James Bond character on, the first and perhaps the best secret agent of the crown, Dr.John Dee.

www.sirbacon.org...

Look how he signed his name



Dee has been defamed through the centuries as a necromancer, but it's the opinion of many writers that his angelic-cabalistic- alchemical work, his Philosophers Stone, the"Monad Hieroglyphica"(1564) may have been a cover for covert operations carried on in the name of her majesty. The 007 was the insignia number that Elizabeth was to use for private communiques between her Court and Dee.





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