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Hillary Clinton Unveils Debt-Free College For All, Adopting Major Bernie Sanders Plank

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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 06:25 PM
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The answer for unemployment in this country is not sending everyone to college. Not everyone is cut out for college.

The solution is increased manufacturing.




posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

And everyone ignores the fact that 2.9 billion goes unused for education in scholarships and grants!

college.usatoday.com...



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 06:27 PM
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Educating the population is worthless if we don't bring manufacturing jobs back to the US.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's already a feeding frenzy with the admin staff at these collages. Imagine free collage, the universities multi millionaire university presidents must be licking their already grossly obese chops like the pigs they are.

But I digress, an 18-19 year old can legally enter into a contract for the loan/loans so presently it's their problem. We all know a teenager can imagine the yolk of debt that they are willingly putting on their neck. Who cares cause there is a well paying JOB waiting for them, right?

I shutter to imagine what free college will cost me, alas ACA or Oboma Care. I see a huge, huge train wreck is coming, cause then every Johnny and Jane will go to college, cause they are all geniuses and should.

I'm sure the lobbying is going on high and hard with our prestigious elected leaders who are above reproach. And they will make the best-est decision money can buy.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Vote Trump, he said he would bring those jobs back. Hooray temp jobs for everyone.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

I like Trump. He's definitely added something to the election.

But I'm voting for Gary Johnson.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t




A lot of democrats, independents, libertarians and others including republicans supported Bernie , not because of his socialist views nor his naive idiotic ideas to give a corrupted gov;t more money and power. But rather because he was bringing the main issue of corruption and conflict of interest to the frorefront.

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Yep, honestly, his policies were everything that I'm against. But, had it been Trump v Sanders, I would have cast my vote for Sanders because of the reasons you mentioned above. That, and despite his platform, I kind of saw him as a lame duck that wouldn't have been able to implement any of his ideas. So his platform didn't really scare me too much.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
The answer for unemployment in this country is not sending everyone to college. Not everyone is cut out for college.

The solution is increased manufacturing.


Not everyone is cut out for blue collar factory work doing manufacturing either.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BlueAjah

And everyone ignores the fact that 2.9 billion goes unused for education in scholarships and grants!

college.usatoday.com...


A few things on this.

1. If there's $2.9 billion going unused, then you should have no problem with restructuring things so that the money gets used and there's less bureaucracy involved right? Because currently the system is obviously too confusing for people to get that money.

2. Did you even read your article? It was a hypothetical $2.9 billion based on the number of people that didn't fill out a FAFSA and take a Pell Grant. Not only did it assume that all 47% of those people would go to college thereby spending the money, but it assumed each of them would get the maximum amount of $5600 per year when the reality is that almost no students under the age of 25 qualify for the full value. 25 being the age when a parents income is no longer counted against that student.

3. Do you really think Pell Grants are the solution? Are you aware they only pay for a fixed number of semesters and that they cap out at $5600 per year? Most schools are in the 15k/year range. They help, but if you get the full value of a Pell Grant you usually have low enough assets and income that you don't have the means to pay for an education anyways because you won't qualify for more than the basic $10k in loans.

4. Did you know that Pell Grants don't work for part time students, such as those who have to work and go to school. In order to get the maximum payout you need to be enrolled for 12 credits. If you enroll for less than that, you're given the part time amount which is for 4 credits, or 1/3 the maximum payout. On top of that, it still counts against you as one of your semesters. Therefore, if like most people who work you're on a 6 year plan rather than a 4 year plan, rather than paying for an already paltry 1/3 of your education costs a Pell Grant only pays for 1/9 of it... except it's usually even less than that because the money you make from your job will lower your Pell payout.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

The point is, there is money out there. It's not all Pell Grants. If you aren't smart enough to explore all the ways to make college affordable, then maybe you shouldn't go.

Since when did people start expecting government to take care of their college needs?



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Aazadan

The point is, there is money out there. It's not all Pell Grants.


There are Pell Grants if you're far enough down the income ladder to get them. There are loans. There are sports scholarships.

There really isn't anything else. The size of other scholarships has not increased alongside the cost of college. Most scholarships people get these days are $250 for books, or $100 for a class. If you wanted to even pay for half of your college education with these, you need to string together literally hundreds of scholarships. Most people, if their GPA is good enough (and most do not maintain the 3.5's required in the first place) get 1 or 2, not hundreds.


If you aren't smart enough to explore all the ways to make college affordable, then maybe you shouldn't go.


Does that benefit society? If we have a nation who is under producing all of the various skilled fields, how are we going to keep up with our infrastructure, or invent new technology, or remain competitive? Education only makes the nation stronger. Long term it is a critical aspect of national defense.
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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

If you aren't smart enough to obtain a good GPA at the high school level, then I don't want to waste time and money for college.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
If you aren't smart enough to obtain a good GPA at the high school level, then I don't want to waste time and money for college.


I was referring to college students, once you've been in college for 6 months or a year, that GPA is what matters, not what you got in high school. It also applies to adults trying to retrain, their HS GPA is irrelevant.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Well, I don't think the government should be making college "free".

You obviously do.

Have a good evening.




posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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Alright, the fact that she used the word try, means that she had no intention of doing this try is a failure word, there is no try, you either do it or you don't
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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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at the very least we need to stop making a profit on the loans, and go back to making them deferred until the student graduates



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 08:39 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Aazadan

Well, I don't think the government should be making college "free".

You obviously do.

Have a good evening.



I think it's asinine to throw new grads out into the world with $100k or $200k in debt, that's the same thing as a house and some land. All the time in these social issue threads we talk about how employees are getting screwed, the employer has all the power in the negotiation, and that workplace conditions are deteriorating. Not throwing new grads into the world with crippling levels of debt would strongly affect the balance of power as they would have the power to say no to bad job offers.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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And IF they kept all the promises they make.
If would be a Beautiful wolrd.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Aazadan

Well, I don't think the government should be making college "free".

You obviously do.

Have a good evening.



to me its about what they spend the money on. we could put every kid in america through college free for what they spent on the f-35, and the damned thing still isn't combat ready. 23 years

you also could pay for this program just by taxing the money apple and microsoft and others have in off shore accounts. cheaters

other nations around the world enjoy healthcare and education americans can only dream of. how can they do it, but we can't ?

because our government is owned by corporations, and our military spending is astronomically high, higher than the next 8 countries combined, and that includes china, russia, UK, France, Germany

I would just like to see the money better spent


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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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And what happens to family's making 130k a year? Their kids get the shaft?




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