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Hillary Clinton Unveils Debt-Free College For All, Adopting Major Bernie Sanders Plank

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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 09:49 AM
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Hillary Clinton Unveils Debt-Free College For All, Adopting Major Bernie Sanders Plank


Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will pursue a debt-free college for all policy, including a proposal to eliminate the cost of college tuition for a significant portion of the public.

The new plan, announced by her campaign Wednesday, incorporates a major plank of Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) platform and is a direct result of the private meeting Clinton had with the Vermont senator in June, the campaign said.

Clinton’s new proposals move her beyond previous statements that she would try to make college “as debt-free as possible“ and toward making “debt-free college available to all.”

Clinton is adding three features to her plan for higher education policy, called the “New College Compact.“ They include eliminating tuition at in-state public universities for families making under $125,000 by 2021 and restoring year-round Pell Grant funding so students can take summer classes to finish school quicker.


Now, normally I don't post many threads about Hillary because I'm not too keen on the backlash these types of threads get from the Hillary haters, but I thought this was a pretty compelling piece of information. So many are calling Bernie a sellout for now endorsing Hillary, but I've been saying for a while that Bernie did this because he successfully pulled Hillary's campaign further to the left. Now Hillary is adopting one of Bernie Sanders' political positions to allow free college for people making under $125,000.

This is how political discourse is supposed to run. The people speak out for what they want (Bernie and his positions), but they don't get exactly what they want (Bernie doesn't get the nomination). So as a result the politicians listen and change their positions accordingly.

Now I'm sure many will just accuse Hillary of pandering, but to that I say, what else was she supposed to do? Continue to not support liberal policies that liberals these days want?

So keep in mind, this is only the beginning. I expect more Bernie influence on the Clinton campaign in the coming months. Bernie isn't done yet, and we can still get his policies, but we have to not be sore losers about him not getting nominated. He can still do his good.
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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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Debt free. Not free. Free college would put bigger tax burdens on the government. Hillary's plan is affordable college so students graduate debt free.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:01 AM
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They never mention how they are going to fund this type of thing.... Hmmm


I'm all for getting kids a free college degree "but" with a few string.

The degree must be in sciences such as chemistry, engineering, medical, etc,etc,

No social science or art degrees.

They must maintain a good gpa and finish close to on time like a four year program within five years or they pay the tuition themselves. Obviously illness and other issues will be considered.

And they must also be willing to stay in the state or country that pays for ten years.

I'll go for that.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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Now I see the plan has been revised. Pell grants are not new but I think they need a better PR rep so that people are aware of them. I'm not sure I understand what is meant by in state public universities.
I don't mind that Hillary got pushed to the left a bit more. She needed that quickening anyway. She's looked at as establishment.
Well when she's not looked at like the twin sister of Ted Bundy.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




So many are calling Bernie a sellout for now endorsing Hillary, but I've been saying for a while that Bernie did this because he successfully pulled Hillary's campaign further to the left.


A lot of democrats, independents, libertarians and others including republicans supported Bernie , not because of his socialist views nor his naive idiotic ideas to give a corrupted gov;t more money and power. But rather because he was bringing the main issue of corruption and conflict of interest to the frorefront.

Hillary Clinton is the poster child of corruption and conflict of interest and the exact opposite of Bernies big drive. That is why many feel that Bernie was a sell out and rightly so when he said he would vote for her.

This week Having Bill Clinton meeting with Lorreta Lynch while their is an ongoing criminal investigation about Hillary only reaffirms how corrupt the system is and how involved in that corruption the Clintons are.

So no, her pandering about releasing information about UFO and now caring about education is not going to fly. Well atleast not with those that don't have their head in the sand and don't care if she was under sniper fire.
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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

What about law and government. Can they be included? Sounds good but sounds restrictive almost socialist to me.
The grade and time requirements should be the same as for any scholarship. If someone is footing the bill don't waste their time and money.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

" including a proposal to eliminate the cost of college tuition for a significant portion of the public. "

What's always amazing is that they make the major changes after 4 years in office...this is a ploy that helps keep the water moving in that direction for when she runs for re-election in 2021.

They easily make the transition sooner but and those numbers can change and knowing that the republicans will never allow this she can easily make this promise and blame them when the shoot it down...win win..

She should be more reasonable and say she will cut tuition for all at 50 percent for those making over 125,000.00 a year and make the next cuts at 75% for the remainder.

People also need to realize that college will effectively turn into high school 2.0 where as adults and young adults don't take the courses as serious now that the tuition would be free. If everyone has a degree what makes it so special?

Are employers now going to look more towards Ivy league schools for even the more mainstream degrees?

It is an interesting time and where my kids are still young I hope this does happen but at what cost? Will the colleges inflate tuition at state schools knowing that they will get reimbursed by the state?

It's amazing that people talk about social security running out and yet it is possible that kids can get free college tuition which includes I'm assuming illegal citizens..

Going forward their is no excuse for someone such as myself in my forties not to get a degree if this is in fact possible..



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme


In my opinion the science degrees are most important and would be the starting point for this type of program, then over time other degrees like law could be included. We need lawyers unfortunately.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
A lot of democrats, independents, libertarians and others including republicans supported Bernie , not because of his socialist views nor his naive idiotic ideas to give a corrupted gov;t more money and power. But rather because he was bringing the main issue of corruption and conflict of interest to the frorefront.

Actually much of his appeal had to do with people agreeing with his Socialist policies. Believe it or not, Liberals have a tendency to be politically informed (especially the ones that were supporting Bernie since he pretty much had the college educated millennial vote on lock). So many Bernie supporters would be aware and aok with his Socialist policies. I know I am.


Hillary Clinton is the poster child of corruption and conflict of interest and the exact opposite of Bernies big drive. That is why many feel that Bernie was a sell out and rightly so when he said he would vote for her.

Oh I understand completely why hating Hillary is popular. It's the bandwagon thing to do. Just hate her blindly, repeat a few pieces of rhetoric about her "history" and never bother to source or confirm if any of it is true.


This week Having Bill Clinton meeting with Lorreta Lynch while their is an ongoing criminal investigation about Hillary only reaffirms how corrupt the system is and how involved in that corruption the Clintons are.

This doesn't make any sense. Even if a criminal investigation was occurring against you, it's not like you'd be prohibited from meeting with people while it was going on. Talk about a double standard you just pitched here.


So no, her pandering about releasing information about UFO and now caring about education is not going to fly. Well atleast not with those that don't have their head in the sand and don't care if she was under sniper fire.

Oh I know it won't have much of an effect here on ATS where fallacies rule the day.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: chrismarco

True, college is becoming akin to high school in the required learning department, but at the same time the world is more complex than ever. High school education just isn't enough to compete intellectually on the world stage these days. Look how many High school dropouts have to go back and get a GED, and then that is usually just so they can continue schooling (say a trade school or a university).

The simple fact of the matter is that k-12 education just ISN'T enough education these days to be successful. This is regardless of a college degree being treated like a high school degree or not.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
Now I see the plan has been revised. Pell grants are not new but I think they need a better PR rep so that people are aware of them. I'm not sure I understand what is meant by in state public universities.
I don't mind that Hillary got pushed to the left a bit more. She needed that quickening anyway. She's looked at as establishment.
Well when she's not looked at like the twin sister of Ted Bundy.


In state I guess means within the state and is certified or has existing funding.

On her being looked at lol, you did Ted Bundy a dis-service, I would put her right up there as Satan's mentor.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

What's wrong with art degrees? You don't value art's contributions to society? What happens when all the tech jobs and manual labor jobs are replaced by computers and the only thing humans can produce is art?

ETA: I will say that I don't have a problem with getting an art degree, but if as an art major you want to go BACK to college to get a new major, then you should pay for your own college then.
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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

You may want to sit down and brace yourself, KS... I think this is great


But I hope trade/vocational training is included, starting with our high schools. Education in and of itself is a powerful equalizer, and benefits us all. If for no other reason than that the more people who are self-sufficient and can take care of themselves and their families, the less of a drain they are on the economy, the taxpayer, and society; and because those they contribute to the economy, the treasury, and society. Win-win for everyone.

Back in the day, not just high schools but junior highs/middle schools often had shop classes that gave students a real marketable skill, so when they graduated from high school they could actually get a decent job and make a life for themselves. Those classes made a huge difference raising the poor and lower classes into a better quality of life for themselves, and benefitted our economy and society as a whole.

When we give a man a fish, we feed him for a day... when we teach a man to fish, we feed him (and his family) for life.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

I agree. Trade schools should be included in this. Too much emphasis is placed on University learning, but Trade School learning still provides high quality and high paying jobs too. There are just some people in the world who aren't cut out for college. Trade schools are perfect for them. That way they can get a decent paying job and don't have to break themselves trying to understand something outside of their intelligence level.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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not sure if I should laugh or cry at this

If you are one of the best in high school, you can go to college free if you want.

Pour the Kool Aid and give out higher education participation certificates to everyone

Dumb people with a diploma are still dumb people.
Smart people without a diploma are still smart people.

useless majors will still be useless majors, just now tax payer founded.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: thinline

There is only one "best in high school"; he/she is called the valedictorian. Meanwhile some schools have a few thousand kids in them (mine had 1800). What about all of them? If you aren't the valedictorian you are too dumb for college?
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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:41 AM
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Actually much of his appeal had to do with people agreeing with his Socialist policies.

Dont disagree that some were attracted to the naive notion that implementing socialist ideals within a corrupted govt is a good thing.

I'm not against socialist ideals my self in certain parts of gov't , but trying to implement anything socialist now under a corrupted congress is just ridiculous.





Oh I understand completely why hating Hillary is popular. It's the bandwagon thing to do. Just hate her blindly, repeat a few pieces of rhetoric about her "history" and never bother to source or confirm if any of it is true.


Hilary is a pathological liar , a normal person doesn't lie about being under sniper fire. That is a trait of a pathological liar.

The FBI just presented a case that clearly shows Hillary is a liar , incompetent and with possibility that she is still guilty , just not enough evidence to indict. Yet her supporters still think she would make a good president and cheering her on like a hero?

I have stated where trump has been wrong and is full of BS. However do you not find it wrong how you only beat to one drum with hillary and how you overlook her blatant discrepancy ?

Talk about being blind , Kettle.




This doesn't make any sense. Even if a criminal investigation was occurring against you, it's not like you'd be prohibited from meeting with people while it was going on. Talk about a double standard you just pitched here.


What? You are going nucleur with your bias. Are you saying that its Ok for the AG to meet with your spouse and discuss your case while its an ongoing investigation in secret. Or you naive enough to think that was about grandchildren.

The only double standard I see is from your bias and faith on Hillary. I have no faith on either one,

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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

move your left quotation mark over from my original post and it will answer your question. I said, "one of the best"

Are you trying to tell ATS, that only ONE kid out of 1800 got a free ride in your high school?

The kid with a 4+ GPA, high SAT scores, and activities will get a free ride every time. Maybe not to their first choice, but they will get a free ride

Now, if Hillary gets her way, the kid who doesn't know that Canada is the country north of America, will now have access to a college degree.



posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Dont disagree that some were attracted to the naive notion that implementing socialist ideals within a corrupted govt is a good thing.

I'm not against socialist ideals my self in certain parts of gov't , but trying to implement anything socialist now under a corrupted congress is just ridiculous.

Looking at Obamacare's intentions versus what we got as a finished product, I can see your point.


Hilary is a pathological liar , a normal person doesn't lie about being under sniper fire. That is a trait of a pathological liar.

The FBI just presented a case that clearly shows Hillary is a liar , incompetent and with possibility that she is still guilty , just not enough evidence to indict. Yet her supporters still think she would make a good president and cheering her on like a hero?

I have stated where trump has been wrong and is full of BS. However do you not find it wrong how you only beat to one drum with hillary and how you overlook her blatant discrepancy ?

Talk about being blind , Kettle.

I just accept court rulings at face value. That's all. When an investigation is finished, I'm going to trust the experts who did the investigation and their findings. If there isn't enough to indict or Hillary's actions aren't criminal, then so be it. No use dwelling on it since the outcome isn't going to change any. I said the same things about OJ's trial, the Zimmerman trial, the Casey Anthony trial, etc.

To me it's all water under the bridge. That's how our court system works. The state gets one shot to prove guilt. If it fails then you are free to go. You can believe otherwise all you want, but it is actually unpatriotic to continue to pursue it legally. That is unless you have physical evidence of the trial/investigation being corrupted.


What? You are going nucleur with your bias. Are you saying that its Ok for the AG to meet with your spouse and discuss your case while its an ongoing investigation in secret. Or you naive enough to think that was about grandchildren.

The only double standard I see is from your bias and faith on Hillary. I have no faith on either one, I just think their is a .001% chance with trump of improvement over Hillary which has proven her worth already.

I don't have faith in Hillary. I just don't believe everything that is said about her. In a world of rhetoric where assumptions and slander become evidence, I maintain a steady diet of doubt and distrust of any opinion a political pundit holds.
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posted on Jul, 6 2016 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: thinline


Now, if Hillary gets her way, the kid who doesn't know that Canada is the country north of America, will now have access to a college degree.

Why can't that person go to a Trade school?



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