Schools reject Obama transgender decree: ‘Straight into the paper shredder’

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Annee

Annee by evolving im essentially saying the same thing. A individual belief Versus a church enforced or approved one. the catholic church hates it when people stop going to mass and all and instead study th e book themselves.

teh RUlership of th e church is dying yes but not individual beliefs.

@ informant. They didnt get the surgery though and were just taking hormones. SO technically they didnt transistion UNTIL they get old enough to get the surgery.

Letting a 5th grader make that decision and the parents allowing hormone therapy is mind boggling.

What decision? They cant get SURGERY until they are essentially GROWN UP. And can be ruled to be of sound mind to do so. they just dont let you get the surgery at that age. its too risky.

Also PARENTS make decisions for kids all the time. It smind boggling how people cannot mind their own damn business.

Only child abusers give their little kids hormones for this crap.That decision champ. They can't even stop themselves from eating crayons but watch out, Tommy said he wants to be tiffanny one day and let's all go find a doctor.

a reply to: In4ormant

And you psychos think they can make a decision on their gender and actually advocate parents pumping them full of hormones????

Two year olds are given puberty blocking treatments? Why?
Do you have a source for that?

originally posted by: In4ormant

And you psychos think they can make a decision on their gender and actually advocate parents pumping them full of hormones????

You should all be jailed.

Honestly, I think you're afraid of the truth.

You reject every fact/article presented written by specialists in the study of transgender children.

You have closed your mind to this and really don't want to know.

a reply to: Phage

I'm railing against their advocacy of giving children of any age hormones. Annee posted a link about kids knowing theyou are transgender at 2. I was making 2 points but see how they might have been mixed up.

1. Parents shouldn't decide to give kid's hormones to alter themselves at any age.
2.kids at 2 can't eat pea soup without half choking to death and can't DECIDE they are not the right sex.

When Do Kids Know They’re Transgender? Younger Than You'd Think - - JAN 20, 2016

"How early might a child express gender identity out loud? We have heard reports as early as when their kids start talking, as soon as they could say words like girl and boy. So a lot of parents say 18 months, 2 years. kuow.org... "

Madness

a reply to: Annee

I'm afraid that people like you that post some article that says 2 year olds have the cognitive function to decide they are not the right sex are reproducing. That is my fear.

I must admit 2-3 year olds go through an instinctive imitative state. They want to imitate their closest caregivers at that age. Which often is the mother, but sometimes can be the father or brothers and sisters in our modern age. Children are very gender neutral but absorbing of society around them. Hormone treatments should not even be considered until the physical body and brain begins puberty.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: In4ormant

And you psychos think they can make a decision on their gender and actually advocate parents pumping them full of hormones????

Two year olds are given puberty blocking treatments? Why?
Do you have a source for that?

It's been repeated enough times that children, not in the teen/puberty years, do not receive hormones/hormone blockers, or any other medication for Gender Dysphoria.

You'd think it would penetrate the brain.

a reply to: In4ormant

1. Parents shouldn't decide to give kid's hormones to alter themselves at any age.

What decisions should parents make? Is it ok for them to decide whether or not to vaccinate them?

2.kids at 2 can't eat pea soup without half choking to death and can't DECIDE they are not the right sex.

And, at 2, no medical intervention is used.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: In4ormant

1. Parents shouldn't decide to give kid's hormones to alter themselves at any age.

What decisions should parents make? Is it ok for them to decide whether or not to vaccinate them?

2.kids at 2 can't eat pea soup without half choking to death and can't DECIDE they are not the right sex.

And, at 2, no medical intervention is used.

The article referenced that kids at age 2 can be identified as transgenders.
If you advocate that your an idiot Phage.

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: Freija

Go find a boy who says he wants to be Dora the Explorer and convince his parents to give em hormones. I think you just want company.

My grandson was obsessed with Dora the Explorer up until about age 6.

We let him be who he is, just like every parent that doesn't try to force their child into a gender role.

REPEAT, AGAIN: children are not given hormones.

a reply to: In4ormant

The article referenced that kids at age 2 can be identified as transgenders. If you advocate that your an idiot Phage.

What is there to advocate?

It's "you're", btw.

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: In4ormant

1. Parents shouldn't decide to give kid's hormones to alter themselves at any age.

What decisions should parents make? Is it ok for them to decide whether or not to vaccinate them?

2.kids at 2 can't eat pea soup without half choking to death and can't DECIDE they are not the right sex.

And, at 2, no medical intervention is used.

The article referenced that kids at age 2 can be identified as transgenders.
If you advocate that your an idiot Phage.

Of course all you saw was Age 2. And never bothered to read the full article or about Kristina Olson who is specializing in this field.

It's talking about parents being aware.

How early might a child express gender identity out loud?

We have heard reports as early as when their kids start talking, as soon as they could say words like girl and boy. So a lot of parents say 18 months, 2 years.

PART 2: Parents didn't think much of it, so they thought, “Oh, my kid doesn't know what the words ‘girl’ and ‘boy’ mean, or I couldn't figure out why my kid wanted to wear high heels or dresses.”

a reply to: Annee

STARTING HORMONES
The stakes are higher for children who want to continue physically transitioning by taking the hormones of their desired gender. Doctors grapple with when to start cross-sex hormones, and they say it really depends on the child’s readiness and stability in their gender identity.

While the Endocrine Society’s guidelines suggest 16, more and more children are starting hormones at 13 or 14 once their doctors, therapists and families have agreed that they are mentally and emotionally prepared. The shift is because of the concerns over the impact that delaying puberty for too long can have on development, physically, emotionally and socially.

www.pbs.org...

What's that again Annee?

a reply to: In4ormant
16, 13, 14.

What does that have to do with 2 year olds?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: In4ormant

The article referenced that kids at age 2 can be identified as transgenders. If you advocate that your an idiot Phage.

What is there to advocate?

It's "you're", btw.

That kids at age 2 can be diagnosed as transgender.
YOU'R dodging.

Do you think 2 year olds can make that decision and be diagnosed as transgender?

a reply to: In4ormant

Do you think 2 year olds can make that decision and be diagnosed as transgender?

No. And no.

Can you provide an example of children being "diagnosed" as transgendered at 2?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: In4ormant
16, 13, 14.

What does that have to do with 2 year olds?

I clarified that my 2 points got intertwined in my rant. If you choose to still link them then that's your problem Phage.
I even clarified by putting a 1. And 2.

Kristina Olson

There's very little data on children who have fully socially transitioned, says Kristina Olson, an associate professor of psychology at the University of Washington. Olson got interested in the subject when a friend's 10-year-old was transitioning from male to female. Olson knew attitudes about transgender people were changing, both in society and in science.

"Forty years ago everyone considered this to be a pathology," Olson says. It was considered a "gender identity disorder" until 2013, when it was changed to "gender dysphoria" in the fifth edition of the DSM, the diagnostic manual for mental health.

So Olson decided to do her own study looking at families who are supporting their child's decision to live as a gender different from their biological sex. The study, published in the March issue of Pediatrics, looked at the mental health of 73 transgender children between ages 3 and 12. What it found was strikingly different from other research. www.npr.org...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: In4ormant

Do you think 2 year olds can make that decision and be diagnosed as transgender?

No. And no.

Can you provide an example of children being "diagnosed" as transgendered at 2?

Yes!!!
See annee's post on page 9!

a reply to: In4ormant

I clarified that my 2 points got intertwined in my rant. If you choose to still link them then that's your problem Phage.

So, you think that at 16 someone is incapable of determining their gender?