Islam a religion of peace?

a reply to: Raggedyman

Do you know that atheism doesn't equal evolution. Basically atheism is a disbelief in the concept of God, and evolution is proven science about all the life on Earth. Just because someone's an atheist doesn't mean they're evil; many atheist past and present have helped many, many people!

a reply to: Raggedyman

Except those atheists didn't kill anyone in the name of atheism, the same can't be said for religious extremists though.

I'm not surprised that you didn't source your Quotes.

Because when you talk about cherry picking The Noble Quran and then copy and paste from ReligionOfPeace.com...


Your hypocrisy abounds.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Not nearly as violent as those who don't believe in any gods
Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao.

Not sure about that. The Christian God massacred all humanity except for one family.

God also commanded the Israelites to massacre the Amalekites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Are they miss quoted would you like some more? Is that the issue?




Can you show the best interpretation the one who shines the light of truth on them? Please, I am more than willing to look at them.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Not nearly as violent as those who don't believe in any gods
Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao.

Not sure about that. The Christian God massacred all humanity except for one family.

God also commanded the Israelites to massacre the Amalekites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.

And the freaking animals, I mean my or rather someone's God! For shame!

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

The answer to that is obviously that God doesn't believe in himself.

here are a few acts punishable by death in the bible.

Committing adultery between a man and a woman (Leviticus 20:10-12, Deuteronomy 22:22).
Lying about virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21).
Being one of the majority of women that don’t bleed when losing your virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21).
Eating aquatic creatures lacking fins or scales (Deuteronomy 14:9-10).
Eating any meat not killed according to the Kosher practice (Deuteronomy 12:21).
Eating a cheeseburger or anything that mixes meat and dairy (Exodus 23:19).
Eating pork (Leviticus 11:7-8).
Eating fat (Leviticus 3:17).
Being a male who is not circumcised (Genesis 17:14).
Trying to convert people to another religion (Deuteronomy 13:1-11, Deuteronomy 18:20).
Worshiping idols (Exodus 22:20, Leviticus 20:1-5, Deuteronomy 17:2-7).
Practicing magic (Exodus 22:18).
Consulting a psychic or spiritualist (Leviticus 19:31).
Being a psychic, medium or spiritualist (Leviticus 20:27).
Cursing your parents (Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9).
Being a stubborn, rebellious, profligate, and drunk (Deuteronomy 21:18-21).
Cutting the hair on the sides of your head or clipping of the edges of your beard (Leviticus 19:27)
Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites (Deuteronomy 20:12-14).
Not constraining a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman (Exodus 21:29).

you're also going to hell if you committed any of them too!

ps: translating the qur'an is a sin too, so good luck with that.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Not nearly as violent as those who don't believe in any gods
Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao.
All atheists all card carrying Darwinists and all with atrocities on massive scales at their feet

Now let's talk about Scotsman or something

Remember, atheism teaches humans are just a byproduct of star dirt and star water, evolved from dust, humans are just cattle, no intrinsic value, no earthly good, a mistake.

By contrast to the abrahamic religions death toll, those atheists and their beliefs, well you know

Also remember, Adolph and his buddies, they killed Jews en mass because they were considered less evolved, ala Darwinism

So it would seem a great deal more violence in atheism than the holy book

Congratulations atheism, you win gold, gold, gold

atheism doesn't TEACH anything.....it's the absence of belief in a mythical godlike being, and to the powers and control assigned to that mythical being that are brought to bear on others....there are no atheist schools or classrooms, no study books, no tests, etc....

All you have to do is look at it's founder for the answer, No.

a reply to: TechniXcality

They're egregiously misquoted, sadly.

If you're new to studying this stuff online, my apologies for calling you hypocritical.
I mean no offence.

A good thing to do when you find a "violent" verse in the Quran is to read the verses prior to such violence.

You will find that every single time it refers to self defence, or preemptive assault to nullify attacks...
2 things I've noticed in my time here that you are a staunch believer in yourself.

Also, a whole heap of the violence in the Quran is story telling from the 600s...
Not a precursor of how to act in this day and age.

If you have a smartphone, Quran Explorer is a fine app you can get which not only has a good translation, but also a lot of explainatory pointers for certain aspects of certain verses.





Now, "apologist" diatribe aside...
If you ask me about the dangers of Islam and it's not so peaceful side...
It stems from the Hadith, all day, everyday.

This is where the danger comes from, as well as Wahhabi clerics and "scholars" who brainwash people who badly need real Quranic education...

Because if they knew what most civilised Muslims know, they'd be disgusted to find that Muhammad would be saddened, and Allah will not be showing them mercy on Judgement Day.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I am sorry
I didn't know you believed in the bible, my apologies
Just thought you were another hate monger

Interesting that God identifies himself a righteous Judge, I figure if He is the righteous Judge then as a bible believer yourself you must know God judged those tribes and found them guilty, the guilty suffer.


Or are you just pretending you believe in the parts of the bible that justify your personal beliefs?
Rhetorical

a reply to: jimmyx

Atheism teaches evolution, evolution was what Stalin hitler Mao and pol pot used to justify killing millions under the guise people were just animals.
Each and every one of them used Darwins teachings, even Hirohito said the Japanese people were more evolved and were a master race, why? Because they had less body hair and less sweat than other races
Evolution is a tenant of atheism, lay off the no true Scotsman argument

Tech , can you see my message? :O

a reply to: stinkelbaum

Do you know the difference between Judaism and Christianity, didn't think so

Should consider educating yourself
Try google

a reply to: TechniXcality

Here's a start ....

Lets look at a few verses:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

The verse in question is one which commands the Muslims to "Kill the infidels wherever they can find them." Just viewed by itself, it seems like an utterly unacceptable invitation to murder the opposition.

However, when viewed in context with the verse before and after this verse- you will grasp the whole picture immediately. When viewed in context to when this verse was revealed you will grasp an even better picture. And when you have read the correct and valid interpretation of all major scholars of this verse- then I'm certain all doubt will be erased.

The verse in question is one that was revealed during a war scenario. There was a pact that the Muslims had made with the non-Muslims at that time and that pact was violated. This had led to war. Like you know, during those days- war tended to be more honorable and was fought in battlefields, not cities and towns where women and children lived.

This verse is akin to an army general commanding his soldiers to "Kill the Enemy" or "Fire on sight". It is a battle cry, not a general direction to kill any non-Muslim or person who disagrees with you at anytime. It is war specific.

As far as the general killing of people is concerned- the Quran clearly states in 5:22 "Whoever kills a soul unless it be for murder or sowing discord in the land it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity" and "whoever saves a person is as though he has saved all of humanity." So killing innocent people is completely out of the question.

In war however, if the Indian Army is fighting terrorists for example, it's obvious the army general of India will command the terrorists be killed in combat. Just like Krishna asks Arjuna to kill the oppressors during war. Did Krishna want to promote death and destruction? No. Did Arjuna enjoy murdering his cousins? No. But in war idealism is not an option.

If you read the next verse 2:192 and 2:193 it says that the moment the enemies cease fighting- you have to stop the attack immediately. A lot of armies at the time did not believe in letting the enemy survive at all, irrespective of surrender.

In other verses in the Quran, it is mentioned that if anyone surrenders in a war, it is the duty of the Muslim to literally escort the enemy to safety- and this safety is from the other Muslims as well who might continue to be hostile towards the surrendered enemy. This condition of escorting a person to safety during war is irrespective of religion- and almost borders on impractical. Imagine fighting a war with thousands and one person from the opposition surrenders and you have to leave your own war, and ensure the enemy is safe from his and your people as well.

There are also numerous authentic sayings of the companions of the Prophet giving war instructions during those times. This is excerpt from one of them - “I give you ten commandments: don’t kill a woman or a child or an old person, and don’t cut trees or ruin dwellings or slay a sheep but for food. Dont burn palm trees or drown them. And don’t be spiteful or unjust.”

It's not the religion. It's the folks in the religion. If they're peaceful, so too is the religion. If they aren't, it isn't. What's hard to figure out here?

One of my best friends, who sadly is no longer with us--cancer, was as devout a Muslim as you could ever wish to know...yet utterly gentle and kind.

There is no way that he was unique in this, 'cause his widow and children are just like him. To their everlasting credit.

He wasn't born in the U.S. or even Europe, he was born in Egypt, he fought Israel in the Six day war.

He's not the only Muslim that I've known, and know, that are very nice people who would never dream of harming another...yet are as devout as can be.

These sorts of attempts at coloring a religion, be it Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism, for the actions of a few, or even many is an utter waste of time.

Judging them by the words of their book? Instead of their actions? Sheer and utter stupidity.

a reply to: mekhanics

So in war you make these concessions for Islam as you contextualize the passages. Do you make the same concessions for the war against Islamic fundlementalists? It's a fair call, also the verses are used as a rallying cry by Islamic fundlementalists.. So while you may contextualize not everybody does therefor it begs the question are the words apart of a living doctrine, or rather the ramblings of a war bent dictator, you cannot have it both ways.

well tech , 1st thanks for sharing my religion in ur page and making for islam free addversment , 2nd about peace in islam , its so different of peace which in ur mind , peace in islam means justice peace between nations and people , and justice peace needs power to protect it , almost of quraan texts which u mention have story and it talks about some situations in past and future , about islam laws ( killing ) , killing in islam have 3 cases only 1st case apostasy because they r ( fitna ) 2nd case is war case and it has laws ( who entered his holy place he is safe , who entered his home he is safe , don't cut off tree or kill animal , don't kill woman or kid or old women even if they r fighting) 3rd case is people who use magic to hurt other people , this is about ( killing ) is islam , there is different between ( kill and fight) quraan uses the 2 words , fight is in every country law , like fight drugs etc etc ,. what u see latley about some muslems act doesn't mean islam is not religion of peace , because this is one of end of the world miracle , and btw tech , im muslem and u know me since while do u think im not peacful ? !!

a reply to: mody20102003

Mody glad to have you here, so basically you are saying it is ok to kill apostates and those who practice magic?