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Before anyone starts debating advance civilizations there needs to be some evidence that their living was advance in some way. I would suggest that some civilizations were well advanced to the average of the their era, but to say there was a civilization more or equal to the 1500s and later would be a hard sell.
An ancient Sanskrit text called the Amsu Bodhini, stored at India most prestigious Sanskrit achive: Library of Oriental Institute of Vadodara on cosmology and astrophysics, composed by the same author of the controversial Vymanika Shastra
has been investigated officially by India's scientific authories and one of the 5 spectrometers mentioned in the text have been built according to its specifications and patented and published in a peer-reviewed journals, one of India's most prestigious science journals INSA.
Ayurveda considers micro-organisms as one of the causes of the disease. Ayurveda describes them as krimi. They are classified into 20 types. Some of them are invisible. Some of them are beneficial to body. Ayurveda also describes some of them as rakshasa.and massive eradication of these rakshasas is recommended.
A rakshasa (Sanskrit: राक्षसः, rākṣasaḥ is a demon or unrighteous spirit in Hindu and Buddhist mythology. Rakshasas are also called man-eaters ("Nri-chakshas," "Kravyads") or cannibals. A female rakshasa is called a rakshasi, and a female rakshasa in human form is a manushya-rakshasi.
According to the Ramayana, rakshasas were created from Brahma's foot; other sources claim they are descended from Pulastya, or from Khasa, or from Nirriti and Nirrita. Legend has it that many rakshasas were particularly wicked humans in previous incarnations. Rakshasas are notorious for disturbing sacrifices, desecrating graves, harassing priests, possessing human beings, and so on. Their fingernails are venomous, and they feed on human flesh and spoiled food. They are shapechangers, illusionists, and magicians.
Originally posted by Harte
Binary nuimbers were known in the West, independant of India (which did, indeed, excell in mathematics) long before the idea was applied to computers.
The idea that the existence of knowledge about binary numbers must somehow be tied to computers indicates an ignorance about mathematics.
Binary numbers are the integers base 2.
There are an infinite number of bases for the integers. Knowledge of this one base system is really kindergarten stuff when you start getting into number theory (the study of which which was also almost completely played out before computers were even concieved of,) and the fact that the Indians knew about binary numbers is not surprising at all. In fact, it would be absolutely astonishing if they didn't.
Hans: Yes I read that and posted a thread on that subject here on this forum, its a modern fake
Hans: Indigo have you read that article? Do you know what it says? The articles uses a great number of weasel words, overall the scientists seem to claim is that they were inspired by the ancient writing - its interesting that the Ancient scientifically advanced civilization used the crude form of 22/7 instead of the actual Pi
The paper claims a machine that can read chakras, by some clever wording they remake this into a vague device that can measure light, real light not the vortices and religious concepts of chakras. I'd say they were forcing the data and trying to take a metaphysical concept and apply it to a known scientific one. This isn't a demonstration of ancient science but modern men applying modern knowledge.
1, 2. First and foremost. Make a 120 * 120 finger elipse from a mirror like glass of 106 karmac(mm) which will form the base. In the centre draw lines like a a 24 hour clock and two circles on both sides of it and making sections on it like a dial.
यंत्रस्थद्वादशांगस्यपूर्वभागेस्थितेक्रमात्।
चतुस्श्रेयथाशास्त्रंवर्तुलंभारवर्जितम्।
वितसस्तिदशकायामंसुदृढंचसुसूक्ष्मकम्।।
छायापकर्षणादर्शषडुत्तरशतात्मकम्।
शास्त्रोक्तविधिनासम्यक्स्थापयेत्सुदृढंत्तथा।।
पश्चाच्छायापकर्षणदर्पणे शास्त्र:क्रमात् -
शंकुस्थानाद्दक्षवामपार्श्वयोरुभयोरपि।
त्रिंशत्त्रिंशल्लिखेद्रेखादर्पणान्तावधिक्रमात्।।
अह:प्रमाणघटिकान्दक्षरेखास्तयो:क्रमात्।
रात्रिप्रमाणघटिकान्वामरेखस्तस्थैवहि।।
प्रदर्शयन्तिसंख्यात:तथाविघटिकान्क्रमात्।
तेषुदर्शयितुंरेखाश्चतुष्षष्ठिर्विलेखयेत्।।
सर्वत्र रेखान्त्यभागेबिन्दुनेकसमन्वितान्।
स्फुटंविलेखयेत्तद्वत्तदन्तस्सूक्ष्मतस्तथा।।
3. After that, with a stony glass, make a 4 finger radius and 72 finger height pole and place it in the centre of the base. Then from the start of the pole to the end, at 12-12 finger distance apart make three holes, so, that they will correspond to the electrical wiring to the sides. This is also called the principal pillar.
चतुरंगुलमायामषड्वितस्त्युन्नतंतथा।
इतरांगैस्समाहृतविद्युत्तत्र्यादिभिर्युतम्।।
स्वमध्यादन्तपर्यन्तंवितस्तैकान्तरंयथा।
रंध्रात्रयेणसंयुक्तंशिलाकाचविनिर्मितम्।।
मेरुस्तंभाख्यशंकुंतन्मध्येसंस्थापयेद्दृढम्।
4, 5 and 6. After that, make three holes on both sides and from principal pillar at 10-10 finger distance, make a 60(4) finger height pole(from the same stony glass) so that it corresponds to the first hole. Then make ar 8-8 distance from that at 50(5) finger height and finally at 6-6 distance make a 40 finger height pole(6). Fix these tightly. Then do the same with the right side, except make them slightly longer. The top of all the poles will have a chain and axel mechanism.
दृढंदशांगुलायामंक्रमात्यष्ट्यंगुलोन्नतम्।
पश्चातृतीयरंध्रस्यपार्श्वयोरुभयोरपि।।
तथाद्वितीयरंध्रस्यपार्श्वयोरुभयोरपि।
शास्त्रोक्तविधिनादंडमेकंसंधारयेद्दृढम्।।
दण्डंसंधारयेतद्वत्सुदृढंकाचनिर्मितम्।
क्रमादष्टाङ्गुलायामंपंचाशदंगुलोन्नतम्।।
चत्वारिंशत्यंगुलोन्नतमायामेषडंगुलम्।
एवंप्रथमरंध्रस्यपार्श्वयोरुभयोरपि।।
दंडप्रमाणमुभयोस्समानमपिपार्श्वयो:।
दंडंसंयोजयेत्पूर्ववद्दृढंकाचनिर्मितम्।।
तथासंधारयेत्तेषुदंडानित्रीण्ययथाक्रमम्।
किंचिदूर्ध्वभवेद्दक्षेवामेथस्थात्स्थितिर्यथा।।
दंडानांमूलदेशेसंधारयेत्पार्श्वयो: क्रमात्।
पूर्वोक्ततंत्रिभिर्युक्तचक्रकीलान्यथाविधि।।
7. After that, 30-30 lines on both sides make a 50 finger radius circular glass plate. On this, a 80 Surya Prism will be placed(a collminating lens) put in the third hole on the right(top) in such a manner, the corresponding pole on the right can turn it at 3 revolutions per cycle.
From the wikipedia
A rakshasa (Sanskrit: राक्षसः, rākṣasaḥ is a demon or unrighteous spirit in Hindu and Buddhist mythology. Rakshasas are also called man-eaters ("Nri-chakshas," "Kravyads") or cannibals. A female rakshasa is called a rakshasi, and a female rakshasa in human form is a manushya-rakshasi.
According to the Ramayana, rakshasas were created from Brahma's foot; other sources claim they are descended from Pulastya, or from Khasa, or from Nirriti and Nirrita. Legend has it that many rakshasas were particularly wicked humans in previous incarnations. Rakshasas are notorious for disturbing sacrifices, desecrating graves, harassing priests, possessing human beings, and so on. Their fingernails are venomous, and they feed on human flesh and spoiled food. They are shapechangers, illusionists, and magicians.
Hans: In my opinon you are attempting to change ancient metaphysical concepts into modern ones by refusing to acknowledge their real meaning - and what it meant to the people who wrote them - and showing disrespect to the religion by putting new words in their mouths.
Also, linking to claims at several holistic healing clinic advertising sites is not "backing up your claims" about the Ayurveda.
Harte
However, the more advanced yantras, like anti gravity or mercury propulsion, are still beyond the grasp of scientists.
Then from the start of the pole to the end, at 12-12 finger distance apart make three holes, so, that they will correspond to the electrical wiring to the sides.
I really don't see how you can force an interpretation to give very accurate technical directions, then actually build the thing and then it up that no other such spectromemter acutally exists .
Then to also build a new stealth material from the ancient text.
You should bear in mind this study has done been with a whole team of Sanskrit experts and scientists from the best institutions in the country, which are known to be some of the most prestigious in Asia.
So I don't think you can dismiss this so outright, the evidence is simply too strong.
This is the same misunderstanding you had with the term Charka.
The word Chakra does not mean energy vortices, it means "wheel" Sanskrit words have a fluidic character they can be used in various contexts but mean different things, which makes it a difficult language to translate.
The word Rakshas does indeed mean demon, but it also means germ.
The fire-sacrifces that are done in the Vedic tradition are done to kill germs(rakshasa) in the atmosphere, the ritual of using herbal fumugation is still practiced as part of Vedic cleansing rituals.
Are we all lying?
Wiki: Panini
The Ashtadhyayi (IAST: Aṣṭādhyāyī Devanagari: अष्टाध्यायी)) is the central part of Pāṇini's grammar, and by far the most complex. It is at once the most exhaustive as well as the shortest grammar of Classical Sanskrit. It takes material from the lexical lists (Dhatupatha, Ganapatha) as input and describes algorithms to be applied to them for the generation of well-formed words. It is highly systematised and technical. Inherent in its generative approach are the concepts of the phoneme, the morpheme and the root, only recognized by Western linguists some two millennia later. His rules have a reputation for perfection — that is, they are claimed to describe Sanskrit morphology fully, without any redundancy. A consequence of his grammar's focus on brevity is its highly unintuitive structure, reminiscent of contemporary "machine language" (as opposed to "human readable" programming languages). His sophisticated logical rules and technique have been widely influential in ancient and modern linguistics.
The influence of Pāṇini on the founding father of American structuralism, Leonard Bloomfield, is very clear, see e.g. his 1927 paper "On some rules of Panini" (Journal of the American Oriental Society Vol. 47 pp 61-70).
Noam Chomsky has always acknowledged his debt to Pāṇini for his modern notion of an explicit generative grammar.[9] In Optimality Theory, the hypothesis about the relation between specific and general constraints is known as "Panini's Theorem on Constraint Ranking". Pāṇinian grammars have also been devised for non-Sanskrit languages. His work was the forerunner to modern formal language theory (mathematical linguistics) and formal grammar, and a precursor to computing.[10]
Pāṇini's use of metarules, transformations, and recursion together make his grammar as rigorous as a modern Turing machine.[clarification needed] The Backus-Naur form (Panini-Backus form) or BNF grammars used to describe modern programming languages have significant similarities to Pāṇini grammar rules. Pāṇini's grammar can be considered to be the world's first formal system, well before the 19th century innovations of Gottlob Frege and the subsequent development of mathematical logic. To design his grammar, Pāṇini used the method of "auxiliary symbols," in which new affixes are designated to mark syntactic categories and the control of grammatical derivations. This technique was rediscovered by the logician Emil Post and is now a standard method in the design of computer programming languages.
Panini was born in Shalatula, a town near to Attock on the Indus river in present day Pakistan. The dates given for Panini are pure guesses. Experts give dates in the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th century BC and there is also no agreement among historians about the extent of the work which he undertook. What is in little doubt is that, given the period in which he worked, he is one of the most innovative people in the whole development of knowledge. We will say a little more below about how historians have gone about trying to pinpoint the date when Panini lived. Panini was a Sanskrit grammarian who gave a comprehensive and scientific theory of phonetics, phonology, and morphology. Sanskrit was the classical literary language of the Indian Hindus and Panini is considered the founder of the language and literature. It is interesting to note that the word "Sanskrit" means "complete" or "perfect" and it was thought of as the divine language, or language of the gods.
A treatise called Astadhyayi (or Astaka ) is Panini's major work. It consists of eight chapters, each subdivided into quarter chapters. In this work Panini distinguishes between the language of sacred texts and the usual language of communication. Panini gives formal production rules and definitions to describe Sanskrit grammar. Starting with about 1700 basic elements like nouns, verbs, vowels, consonants he put them into classes. The construction of sentences, compound nouns etc. is explained as ordered rules operating on underlying structures in a manner similar to modern theory. In many ways Panini's constructions are similar to the way that a mathematical function is defined today. Joseph writes in [2]: -
In particular he suggests that algebraic reasoning, the Indian way of representing numbers by words, and ultimately the development of modern number systems in India, are linked through the structure of language. Panini should be thought of as the forerunner of the modern formal language theory used to specify computer languages. The Backus Normal Form was discovered independently by John Backus in 1959, but Panini's notation is equivalent in its power to that of Backus and has many similar properties. It is remarkable to think that concepts which are fundamental to today's theoretical computer science should have their origin with an Indian genius around 2500 years ago.
evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com...
It has been argued
by Ingalls, Staal, Matilal, Briggs, Kak and others1 that many contemporary
developments in formal logic, linguistics, and computer science are a rediscovery
of the work of these ancient masters. But apart from the question of
a correct history of ideas it raises the following important question of significance
to Sanskritists as well as cognitive and computer scientists: Are there
other rules in ancient Indian logic and grammar that may be of use in making
further advance in cognitive and computer sciences? A little bit of history
shows why this is a valid question. Nineteenth century Western linguists
did not see the signicance of the context-sensitive rules of Pan. ini's grammar.
In fact their fundamental importance was seen only when Pan. inian
style structures were rst introduced by Western linguists such as Chomsky
1
about thirty years ago. According to the distinguished linguist Frits Staal:
We can now assert, with the power of hindsight, that Indian linguists in the fifth century B.C. knew and understood more than Western linguists in the
nineteenth century A.D. Can one not extend this conclusion and claim that
it is probable that Indian linguists are still ahead of their Western colleagues
and may continue to be so in the next century? Quite possible; all we can say
is that it is difficult to detect something that we have not already discovered
ourselves."2
Here is another challenge for you. Explain why the scientific world has not accepted this idea of yours - if the evidence is 'strong'?
Hans: Gee a mixture of “finger measuring” and then electrical wiring, so your claiming this society had electric power? Evidence, hard evidence
Hans: No it isn’t, it’s what people call reality, you have distorted the word for your own reasons. However you claim to find meanings that support modern science – how amazing. So this device detects what again? Your own paper says it detects Chakras?
Hans: Yes it is but it says nothing about germs, you’ve made that up
Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by qbik2008
Howdy qbik2008
To where or what does this portal lead?
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by qbik2008
What do you mean qbik?
I have certanily arrived at mine.
Regarding 'pottery' well there is pottery around today too, so that does not mean we are not advanced. However, I understand your criticism, I myself do not beleive the IVC was a post-21st century technology, because if it was something would have remained from it. As it was not flooded, there should be advanced materials, parts of machines etc.
The reason it cannot be found is because the Aryan civilisation is pre-glacial. There was a post-21st century civilisation but more than 10,000 years ago. It was destroyed by superfloods.
[edit on 3-4-2009 by Indigo_Child]