78 Year old Man Sucker Punched Protestor at Trump Rally

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

There are two things here.

1. Peaceful protest - please show me the peaceful protest. I see someone giving the crowd the finger.
2. Old man hits protester - Look, I do not think it was right for him to hit the guy. I have made that point but lets do it again. He was arrested. He should be charged. I am fine with that. I just think a man in his 20's acting like he was knocked out when an 80 year old man barely hit him. If that was my friend he would never live it down. Like I said before...keeping it real...real dumb!

Now, in conclusion, The protester should also be arrested for inciting violence. If he would have simply left I am pretty sure that would not have happened.

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I was unaware that giving a crowd the finger constituted an assault on a crowd as a whole. How fascinating. No. It was rude of him, but hardly a reason for him to be assaulted.
Secondly the man who assaulted him did not 'barely hit him', he smashed his elbow into him. My Dad is not far off that man's age and if he had hit me like that I would have gone down for the count. You are making light of assault - unprovoked, cowardly assault.
Now lets get down to the interesting thing about your post - he was already leaving when he was attacked. So no, he was not inciting violence, he was being escorted out.
Did you even watch the video, or are you simply blindly supporting Trumpster?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Did he do this...even if he was leaving? I mean, just because you are leaving does not mean you are above the law.

Incite, rouse, provoke, inflame are verbs meaning to goad or inspire an individual or a group to take some action or to express some feeling. Incite and rouse are similar in that, although they can imply in some contexts abrasive or inflammatory arousal of violent or uncontrolled behavior, neither necessarily does so.

Yes, he did do that.

All I seen was a thug flashing gang signs and then he got whacked by a senior citizen. Hope his gang banger buddies all beat his ass for losing all of his street creds forever and ever to a man at geritol age.

a reply to: matafuchs

So, a Muslim walks into his work and kills over a dozen people. It is a terror attack. So, since it happened, all Muslims must be terrorists.

That's an odd argument for a Trump supporter to be making isn't it? Some of his most popular policy statements have been about how he would treat Muslims as a group differently than everyone else because of the actions of a small minority of Muslims.

Clearly you either agree with him or don't disagree enough to drop your support.

Shouldn't you be calling for these rallies to be stopped until we can "figure out what's going on?" Maybe registering yourself as a Trump supporter with the federal government so that you can be subjected to even more invasive surveillance than the rest of American society?

I'm tired of the out of control political correctness that is keeping us from having an honest discussion. Why aren't Trump supporters publicly denouncing these assaults? Blah blah blah.

I'm of course being (mostly) facetious in the last bit to make my point — though not entirely — as far as I'm concerned, Trump is inciting when he says things like, "If you see them, knock the crap out of them! I'll pay the legal fees!"

Trump supporters arent showing their angry. They are showing how uncivilized they are. On the social media its even so hard trying to debate with any of them.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Did he do this...even if he was leaving? I mean, just because you are leaving does not mean you are above the law.

Incite, rouse, provoke, inflame are verbs meaning to goad or inspire an individual or a group to take some action or to express some feeling. Incite and rouse are similar in that, although they can imply in some contexts abrasive or inflammatory arousal of violent or uncontrolled behavior, neither necessarily does so.

Yes, he did do that.

Moving goalposts again I see. No, you don't get to do that. Once again he was leaving. And he was still attacked.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
All I seen was a thug flashing gang signs and then he got whacked by a senior citizen. Hope his gang banger buddies all beat his ass for losing all of his street creds forever and ever to a man at geritol age.

The whooshing noise you just heard was the point of this thread sailing far, far, above your head.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
All I seen was a thug flashing gang signs and then he got whacked by a senior citizen. Hope his gang banger buddies all beat his ass for losing all of his street creds forever and ever to a man at geritol age.

The whooshing noise you just heard was the point of this thread sailing far, far, above your head.

The point is a video showing a gang banger thug getting owned by a man ready to die of old age.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
All I seen was a thug flashing gang signs and then he got whacked by a senior citizen. Hope his gang banger buddies all beat his ass for losing all of his street creds forever and ever to a man at geritol age.

The whooshing noise you just heard was the point of this thread sailing far, far, above your head.

The point is a video showing a gang banger thug getting owned by a man ready to die of old age.

Thank you for so massively proving my point.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
All I seen was a thug flashing gang signs and then he got whacked by a senior citizen. Hope his gang banger buddies all beat his ass for losing all of his street creds forever and ever to a man at geritol age.

The whooshing noise you just heard was the point of this thread sailing far, far, above your head.

The point is a video showing a gang banger thug getting owned by a man ready to die of old age.

Thank you for so massively proving my point.

That you have no clue what the thread is about or that you are trying to guide the discussion away from what is actually on the video?

a reply to: TinfoilTP

The point is a video showing a gang banger thug getting owned by a man ready to die of old age

I see you are into Social Profiling but getting it completely wrong.

The man who was hit is named Rakeem Jones.

Jones said he and four friends — a “diverse” group that included a white woman, a Muslim, and a gay man — had gone to the rally as a “social experiment.” He said the woman with them started shouting once Trump’s speech began

“No one should be subjected to such a cowardly, unprovoked act as that committed by McGraw,” Sheriff Earl Butler said in a statement posted to Facebook. “Regardless of political affiliation, speech, race, national origin, color, gender, bad reputation, prior acts, or political demonstration, no other citizen has the right to assault another person or to act in such a way as this defendant did. I hope that the courts will handle this matter with the appropriate severity for McGraw’s severe and gross violation of this victim’s rights.”

www.washingtonpost.com...

a reply to: matafuchs

Cornell Legal Information Institute

Standard established in Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 US 444 (1969), to determine when inflammatory speech intending to advocate illegal action can be restricted. The standard developed determined that speech advocating the use of force or crime could only be proscribed where two conditions were satisfied: (1) the advocacy is “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action,” and (2) the advocacy is also “likely to incite or produce such action.”

Even though your argument is ludicrous on its face, I'll humor you. Flipping a bird isn't advocating a crime so it fails the first part of the test. This however this is cutting it close:

There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much ’cause the courts agree with us too.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: TinfoilTP



I see you are into Social Profiling but getting it completely wrong.

So they admit they conspired to put together a group of a rabid womens libber Clinton voter, a radical islam coddling Muslim, an anti GOP gay person and a black panther type guy that flashes gang signs.....ya that represents your average American lol what a freakin joke with all freaks in it.

originally posted by: grainofsand

Guilt by association then? ALL Trump supporters are racist?

I said the vast majority were, and I gave reasons as to why. Only someone embeded within this kind I f racist apologetics would even attempt to say otherwise. Reminds me of the Nigel Farage type of rhetoric you hear from ukip voters....

You have nothing to confirm that the guy was acting with racist motivations, just personal belief.

Nothing to confirm?? How can you expect anyone to take you and your rehtoric seriously when you make such statements? Oh I forget you don't see anything inherently xenophobic about Drumpf to begin with do you?...

you are another person I'm glad I will never have the misfortune to be sitting on any jury I may have judging me.

If you were charged with a racially motivated assault like the one in question, I'm sure you would want someone naive and/or willfully ignorant judging you...

a reply to: Prezbo369

So you accept that not all Trump supporters are racist, and you accept you have no specific evidence to support claims that the violent old man was racist. We find agreement then.
All you have is personal belief, as I asserted earlier.

a reply to: theantediluvian

As far as Trump and the Muslim world is concerned he rents HQ to Qatar airlines in Trump Tower. They have not left. The CEO's name is Akbar Al Baker.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Prezbo369

So you accept that not all Trump supporters are racist

I stated twice that is was the vast majority. Good to know your not skimming over anything in your furor to defend Drumpf...

and you accept you have no specific evidence to support claims that the violent old man was racist. We find agreement then.
All you have is personal belief, as I asserted earlier.

It's a valid conclusion considering the rally he was attending, the behaviour of others attending such events his actions on the video. You want to attempt to say his actions were not racially motivated then have at it hoss, but you are being either incredibly dishonest or incredibly naive. Have a look around this very thread and the replies made by Drumpf supporters, do they come across to you as balanced folk?

And like I also said, all of this that you're spouting just sounds like a Farage supporters rhetoric...

This is hilarous! A hooligan got beat up by an old man! Seriously though, the hooligan deserved it. He went into a place where he wasnt invited and tried to shove his stuff in there, plus based on sources, he was provoking them by making gang signs/symbols. The 78 year old man was correct in what he did; the uninvited hooligan was offending the peoples views, and the man did what he did and is justified in doing so.

I bet many of you who are angry about this, probably dont even know what the knockout games were. I bet you support those too... I bet if this was reversed, you would probably say the hooligan was still innocent....

a reply to: theantediluvian

Because it is all ludicrous.

a reply to: Prezbo369

Not a single post of mine indicates any support for Trump, that is pure invention and deflection on your part.
The fact that you admit that not all Trump supporters are racist, and there is no specific evidence to support claims that the violent old man's actions were racially motivated is more than enough to show reasonable doubt.
All you have is personal belief, and you may or may not be correct, but you do not know that.