Is Conservative Ideology Finally Dead?

a reply to: DBCowboy

We aren't talking about that - we are talking about taking liberties away - ElectricUniverse is worried about losing liberties -
the OP and I both want to know - what liberties will you be losing if Sanders becomes POTUS?

(P.S. I agree entirely with his list of things that matter. ALL of those would still be allowed - )

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy

We aren't talking about that - we are talking about taking liberties away - EU is worried about losing liberties -
the OP and I both want to know - what liberties will you be losing if Sanders becomes POTUS?

None.

Because government doesn't have the authority to remove liberties.

If they did, it would be unconstitutional.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Okay, then: What "liberties" is Bernie proposing to withhold from you? Or anyone else?

Answer: NONE. Unless you're a Wall Street uber-rich tax evader.
Then, yes - you will lose the liberty to off-shore your hoard of money tax-free, and to underpay employees so that the taxpayers have to support them instead.


Honestly not sure if you are trying to shoot Bernie and his supporters down, or you are agreeing that his policies harm no one.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Trying to be honest.

I'll shoot down socialist policies because I see them as destructive.

But the Constitution limits government, not people. So if Bernie adheres to the Constitution, we won't have an issue.

Until it comes time that people start re interpreting the Constitution, but that's for another topic.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Do you think Bernie would be for or against this?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'll shoot down socialist policies because I see them as destructive.

But the Constitution limits government, not people. So if Bernie adheres to the Constitution, we won't have an issue.

Well. I appreciate your honesty.

So, then - why do you kneejerk into a 'shoot down' mode rather than hearing out the other side - which doesn't involve doing anything to undo the constitution? Why bat it away like it's poison first, and then find out later it was just a butterfly?

In other words - how about you give Bernie the benefit of the doubt and pay attention to what he's saying.
Yeah, I know - you never saw this coming - but it is here.

As for mandatory depression screening - how is that any different from newborn hearing, vision, reflex, screening? Or 'developmental milestone' screening during a child's early life?
I would welcome (and actually have undergone) and I would fail a depression screening if I were to stop taking my meds. I know that already. I've tried it. The meds work.

I don't see why anyone would object to undergoing such a screening, really.
I had my eyes checked a week ago. Just to check that my vision was still healthy.

I couldn't get a driver's license without prescription "corrective lenses" - but my vision is correctable, so it's not a big deal. Etc.
Treatment is available.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Do you think Bernie would be for or against this?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's for da Motherland Komrade !!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

That, sadly, answered many questions.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Do you think Bernie would be for or against this?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's for da Motherland Komrade !!

Yes, Tovarish, you are correct.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Why? I'm on my meds, I feel fine. Simply regulates a brain-chemistry imbalance. I just ordered new glasses. I function just fine.

You still need to account for your kneejerk rejection of Bernie - when he's not trying to take anything away from you.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: ketsuko
It'll be dead when you kill us.

You can have liberty or equality. You cannot have both. So long as there are those who are conservative, there will be those who fight for liberty, and you will not have perfect equality. You will only have that over our dead bodies.

I can't agree with any ideology that refuses to be happy under a society of equality. "Liberty" to those people means the liberty to treat others with inequality.

No, I do not agree with liberty under that definition.

You don't agree with somebody else because of a definition that you, and only you, defined and believe ?

That doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

So.....
what about those liberties and rights are problematic for you?

What liberties will you lose if Sanders' policies are realized?

LOL... What about those liberties will we lose?... Read the op in this thread, he only wants those "liberties" for people who think like him...

And Sanders?... How many times does it has to be shown to you... Claiming he will do all those things doesn't mean he will do them. Most of them are empty promises. But among those empty promises, we can see the truth of what Sanders wants.

Sanders is a socialist. You want to claim that because he is a "socialist democrat/social democrat" it means he will be different to what other socialists have done, but I have shown you what it actually means to be a "social democrat".

Social democracy, political ideology that advocates a peaceful, evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes. Based on 19th-century socialism and the tenets of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, social democracy shares common ideological roots with communism but eschews its militancy and totalitarianism. Social democracy was originally known as revisionism because it represented a change in basic Marxist doctrine, primarily in the former’s repudiation of the use of revolution to establish a socialist society.
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www.britannica.com...

I even gave you evidence directly from a social democrat who supports Sanders, that despite claims of the contrary social democrats do believe in government having control over the means of production and complete control of society in general...

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Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically- to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few.
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www.berniesandersvideo.com...

"run democratically" is how "social democrats" hide the truth that it will be the government controlling the economy and society completely... After all, the government is supposed to have been elected democratically right?...

But you will say, "but he also says the government will control the economy, so Congress will control the Federal Reserve right"?... Not really.

Even though Sanders claims he wants to reign in the Federal Reserve, he really doesn't. He wants to control it. First, read here a NYTimes article written by Sanders.

Bernie Sanders: To Rein In Wall Street, Fix the Fed

By BERNIE SANDERSDEC. 23, 2015
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To rein in Wall Street, we should begin by reforming the Federal Reserve, which oversees financial institutions and which uses monetary policy to maintain price stability and full employment. Unfortunately, an institution that was created to serve all Americans has been hijacked by the very bankers it regulates.
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www.nytimes.com...

Let's stop there for a second. Do you know why I put in bold that claim Sanders made? It's one of the many lies being told by Sanders.

The Federal Reserve wasn't created to serve Americans, it was implemented in 1913 by a "progressive democrat" President, Woodrow Wilson, with the help of a "progressive democrat" Congress, and since it's inception it was created to give the international banker elites control over the U.S. economy. It is an institution outside of government control.

How do you restructure something you have no control of?...

But lets continue and see what else Sanders has in mind. BTW, I am not referencing every little claim he makes. I am going straight to the points he makes and how he sees "the Feds should be fixed".

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If I were elected president, the foxes would no longer guard the henhouse. To ensure the safety and soundness of our banking system, we need to fundamentally restructure the Fed’s governance system to eliminate conflicts of interest. Board members should be nominated by the president and chosen by the Senate. Banking industry executives must no longer be allowed to serve on the Fed’s boards and to handpick its members and staff. Board positions should instead include representatives from all walks of life — including labor, consumers, homeowners, urban residents, farmers and small businesses.
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www.nytimes.com...

Gee weez... so Bernie's way to "fix the Feds" is to give Bernie control over the economy... Yes, of course, but he says "the senate will chose them", but Bernie will nominate who the Senate can choose... That's the same thing as having Bernie select himself who will run the Feds...

That right there shows you how big of a socialist Sanders is...

Having the President control both the executive branch and the economy goes against the United States Constitution, which states that only Congress shall issue and regulate coin and it's value...

Not to mention that the only way the corrupt Feds can be fixed is by dismantling it and giving Congress control over the economy, which is how it is supposed to work as the founding fathers intended...

There is also the fact that the Federal Reserve has already told several Senators that if Congress were to stop their plans they would bankrupt the economy. Congress does not have any control over the Feds, and neither does the executive branch has control over the Feds. In fact it is the Feds, through the economy, that control both the executive branch and Congress.

Bernie, like every socialist, is a control freak. He wants to have control over every aspect of government, AND society in general...

That's what you, and the Sander's fans are cheering for. Just another Big socialist dictatorship...

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: DBCowboy

Okay, then: What "liberties" is Bernie proposing to withhold from you? Or anyone else?

Answer: NONE. Unless you're a Wall Street uber-rich tax evader.
Then, yes - you will lose the liberty to off-shore your hoard of money tax-free, and to underpay employees so that the taxpayers have to support them instead.

Honestly not sure if you are trying to shoot Bernie and his supporters down, or you are agreeing that his policies harm no one.

Bernie is denying me the ability to be free of a terribly stupid theory (and fairy tale by an 1800's bum) that has always ended in bloodshed and utter destruction, wherever and whenever attempted.

I would very much like to be free of any suicidal / genocidal attempt to re-run this disgusting idea, in a country that was designed specifically to avoid it. Bernie would obviously love to deny me my constitutional protection against it.

Want it that badly ? Move to a country that's been created or tweaked to give it a go. Don't be a sneaky little s**t forever trying to break the rules and break the country.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Dude - you are behaving in a hysterical manner. There is no reasoning or real conversation with hysterical people.

Bernie, like every socialist, is a control freak. He wants to have control over every aspect of government, AND society in general...

Ermmmmm - no. The "control freaks" are the ones who want to outlaw gay marriage (and be free to refuse to sign a license to do so), they are the ones who want this to be a "Christians only" country, who want to force school prayer, and eliminate the teaching of science, to refuse contraception or abortion to anyone they deem 'depraved', to refuse housing or health care or food to people who are in need (whether they are Americans or refugees).... and so on and so forth.

THAT is control.

THOSE, dear Electric, are the "control freaks."

The reason that socialist democracy is pure BS, is that they absolutely plan on using taxation, legislation, policy, regulation, propaganda, and social abuse to accomplish what the military or total-state-ownership would have done in textbook communism.

Can't get rid of the 2nd amendment ? Legislate, tax, and threaten gun and ammo companies into insolvency. Or buy up all the ammo with govt money (your money). Or legislate health care and fold gun control into that.

With corporations, all you need to do is tax them punitively for not agreeing with communistic demands, legislate things like min wages, 3-4-5 months of vacation / leave, various retirement requirements, and so on. They won't need to go to the trouble of nationalizing anything.

Want to deliver childcare and food to every child from birth to 18 ? Just keep giving more and more meals through the schools, and lowering the pre-K mandate to 1.

There are a million and one work arounds in pure Marxism, to tweak it into Bernie's fake S-D.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

LOL... What about those liberties will we lose?..

Yes - which of those liberties that the OP listed will you lose?

At least you understand the question. Here, I'm going to present them again. See if you can show us how any of them are going to be destroyed:

To add, in my mind one should always be able to:

Own land

Own a firearm

Vote

Have health insurance

Have food when in need of assistance

Be able to travel freely

Freedom of speech

The right to choose life or death

The right to use "drugs"

The right to have or not have any religion that you would want

The right to marry whomever you would want

THOSE are the issues.

WHICH of those liberties are you imagining you are going to lose under Bernie? Please be specific.
If possible.

Socialists and communists aren't control freaks.

lol, tell that to the people who survived USSR, East Germany, Vietnam, and still have to live in North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba.

My God, that is so far from logical or accurate, it's mind-wrenching.

a reply to: stevieray

My God, that is so far from logical or accurate, it's mind-wrenching.

Correct! Because nothing Bernie is talking about has anything to do with those countries.

Mind-wrenching is how I would describe your blind ignorance to that fact. This has all been hashed out 100 times.
My God, you people make me tired.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

LOL... What about those liberties will we lose?..

Yes - which of those liberties that he listed will you lose?

At least you understand the question.

WHICH of those liberties are you going to lose under Bernie?

The constitution specifically supports private property, minimal government and government seizure of property, and maximum privacy in all things personal and business. We already have laws against illegal business practices, and don't need any more for punishment of success or property ownership.

Bernie specifically wants to go in the opposite direction. That's what he's taking from every decent, free American.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Yes - which of those liberties that he listed will you lose?

At least you understand the question.

WHICH of those liberties are you going to lose under Bernie?

If your views differ politically from a socialist President, you lose ALL LIBERTIES...

Here is one of the many rights Americans will lose. Once in a while amongst all the LIES that socialists like Sanders state, the truth comes out. A lier under stress will always be caught.

Sanders claims he is in favor of the Second Amendment...

But watch this video, and how directly from Sanders' mouth he says that "guns exclusively not for hunting, should not be sold in the United States of America......

it starts at 40 seconds in the video...




Sanders wants to ban not only all guns such as semi-automatics like the AR-15, but also all handguns. He wants to deprive Americans the right to defend themselves. That's what he says when he mentions "guns that can be used to kill people"... Of course, a hunting rifle can also be used to defend yourself in certain situations. But Sanders statement shows he doesn't want any American shooting anyone else, under any condition...

Cheer for Sanders some more please...