Is Conservative Ideology Finally Dead?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: stevieray

My God, that is so far from logical or accurate, it's mind-wrenching.

Correct! Because nothing Bernie is talking about has anything to do with those countries.

Mind-wrenching is how I would describe your blind ignorance to that fact. This has all been hashed out 100 times.
My God, you people make me tired.

100% false.

Nobody has ever explained why USSR, East Germany, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, were perfect examples of the failure and hopelessness of large scale collectivism.

There for sure have been a few salvos of "NUH - UH ! YER STEWPIDD ! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT MEANS !!"

But no, it's never been explained rationally, logically, or maturely. And no, don't bother selling the virtual aryan supremacy enclave of the scandanavians lol. Add a few immigrants....now what happened ?

a reply to: stevieray

The constitution specifically supports private property, minimal government and government seizure of property, and maximum privacy in all things personal and business. We already have laws against illegal business practices, and don't need any more for punishment of success or property ownership.

What about Bernie's platform goes against those things? WHAT PART OF IT goes against those things?

Bernie specifically wants to go in the opposite direction. That's what he's taking from every decent, free American.

WTH. You are out of your mind. Bernie supports private property, has no intention of seizing it, and has said nothing not ONE THING about surveillance or privacy.

The "laws" against illegal business practices that were once in place are not being enforced - due to de-regulation and rampant Wall Street ownership of the government ("Citizens United", they call it).

There are several people who belong in prison - among them the Bush/Cheney regime, all of the "big-banksters" who were handed a pass when they - when THEY- collapsed the economy, and all corrupt politicians who take their money -

okay, I'm done.

I'm sure Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity will be on the air soon if you need a cheerleader.

So weak.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Yeah, one of those people is Bernie Sanders who wants to destroy the United States Constitution, and wants to be in charge of the economy, and society in general.

Keep denying the truth about your idol... It only shows the truth about your own beliefs.

Sounding more and more like the Conservative Ideology is alive and well.

Now it seems even the Congressional Black Caucus is 100% endorsing Hillary.

Not good for Bernie.




Who's On First?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yeah, one of those people is Bernie Sanders who wants to destroy the United States Constitution, and wants to be in charge of the economy, and society in general.

We've already been over this, and you have repeatedly failed to answer in a line-item fashion, which 'liberties' delineated in the thread are being threatened.

I'm not going to post them again.
Go back and read the "liberties" being discussed, and for that matter, the whole thread, and then answer WHICH OF THOSE LIBERTIES Bernie is going to take away from you.

Which of them? Specifically?
And how?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I don't agree with a socialist philosophy.

Not that hard to understand.

I don't endorse the socialist policies that Bernie would try to bring about.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
We've already been over this, and you have repeatedly failed to answer in a line-item fashion, which 'liberties' delineated in the thread are being threatened.

I'm not going to post them again.
Go back and read the "liberties" being discussed, and for that matter, the whole thread, and then answer WHICH OF THOSE LIBERTIES Bernie is going to take away from you.

Which of them? Specifically?
And how?

Keep trying to ignore what has been posted...

First thing Americans will lose is the ability to defend ourselves from criminals, and we will lose our second amendment right...

Already posted evidence that Sanders wants to ban all guns, and wants to stop law abiding citizens from shooting criminals under any situation...



Sanders wants to control the economy, since he will nominate who the Senate can choose to run the Feds... That goes against the United States Constitution, and shows Sanders, like every good socialist, does not care for the U.S. Constitution, or the rights it gives to Americans.

Bernie makes a lot of false claims, he claims to be in favor of second amendment but under duress he clearly states he is against it.

He claims he is in favor of small businesses, but he will control the economy, hence controlling/regulating businesses...

Bernie Sanders: To Rein In Wall Street, Fix the Fed

By BERNIE SANDERS DEC. 23, 2015
...
If I were elected president, the foxes would no longer guard the henhouse. To ensure the safety and soundness of our banking system, we need to fundamentally restructure the Fed’s governance system to eliminate conflicts of interest. Board members should be nominated by the president and chosen by the Senate. Banking industry executives must no longer be allowed to serve on the Fed’s boards and to handpick its members and staff. Board positions should instead include representatives from all walks of life — including labor, consumers, homeowners, urban residents, farmers and small businesses.
...

www.nytimes.com...

How does he plan to control "big business and only allow small, and medium businesses"? By controlling all business is the only way. He will dictate who can have a business, and who can't...

Despite his claim that he is in favor of private property, as a true socialist, he is in fact against it.

...
Democratic socialists on the other hand are typically seen as more radical left-wingers and advocate the outright replacement of capitalism with socialism. European parties such as Greece's Syriza or Spain's Podemos aim to drastically reduce inequality through radical changes in policy. Democratic socialists would have government inject itself into the financial system and take control of natural resources to help the broader populace before private profit.
...

www.dailykos.com...

Take away all the lies, and euphemisms and go straight to the point, and you will understand that means government owning the means of production. Which means banning Americans the right to own any property that produces, and have government control it for the good of the collective... Hence taking away the right to property

Notice that the link I posted above is very pro-socialist and pro-communist.

Let's continue...

...
Climate change is the most important issue of our time, and I fear that when I am old it will have become the only issue that matters. Sanders proposes taxing carbon and would do what it takes to reduce emissions in a country that emits far more per capita than practically any other industrialized country. Climate change and inequality are intertwined, as the latter enables the former by depriving those most at risk of the power they need to avoid disaster.
...

www.dailykos.com...

I am actually sure you think that means that 'only the rich would be taxed on carbon", but that assumption is wrong...

Under socialism, government rationing of resources is implemented for the good of the people.

Look at Venezuela for what it means such rationing.

Venezuela Rations Electricity, Blames Climate Change

by Frances Martel29 Apr 2015

The Venezuelan government will begin rationing electrical supplies this week in response to high demand triggered by heat. Public employees will only have to work six hours a day until further notice, and police units will be sent to inspect private businesses to ensure they only use their allotted amounts. Venezuelan Vice President Jorge Arreaza blamed the measures on climate change.
...

www.breitbart.com...

Venezuela right now is enforcing blackouts in businesses, including small ones, throughout the nation, and this is a nation rich in oil. They are only allowed to have electricity for 4 hours each day.

In the United States, under Sanders the same thing will happen. Sanders will use any and every measure to combat climate change. What better way to do it than using the rationing enforced under socialism?...

Enforcing blackouts in the United States will ensure people "help to fight climate change"... Of course, at first the enforcing will be to force every household, and business to have smart meters which has been already implemented in many major cities in the U.S. Anyone who goes over a quote will be fined. Then more enforcing will be introduced, and finally a total rationing of electricity enforced like in Venezuela, a country that is truly socialist...

Stop being so obtuse, and put on your thinking cap.

Ah, I love a good yelping of "ignorant, Hannity, OReilly....". You forgot Rush !

lol, apparently you cannot answer enough times to stop these guys from just continuing to yell "Prove it !".

But I already know the likely answer to the proof already submitted....."awww that's stewwpidd".

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I don't agree with a socialist philosophy.

Not that hard to understand.

I don't endorse the socialist policies that Bernie would try to bring about.

BUT WHAT WOULD HE DO THAT'S NOT GREAT ??

lol

a reply to: stevieray

If Bernie were for smaller government, fewer laws, lower taxes, I would vote for him.

Socialism wants larger government, more laws, higher taxes.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

First thing Americans will lose is the ability to defend ourselves from criminals, and we will lose our second amendment right...

That ^^^ is ridiculous.
No one is trying to take your guns.

If you are insane, well, then, that's a different story.....
But - perhaps you are insane?? - and so that's why you think this is what you think will happen......??????????

Utterly ridiculous.
Except I think there are definitely people who should not be allowed to have guns.

Okay, I'm done with this.

/shrug

a reply to: stevieray

No, I just didn't bother to add him on - or Glenn Beck, or Alex Jones, or any of your other talking heads that make no sense.

*big sigh* Okay... you all are right -
I give up.

Let everyone have assault rifles, and overseas tax havens, and not have to contribute at all to the people suffering (that is: your inferiors). WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT THEM???????
Screw them. They're just lazy, worthless dumbasses!!!!

Let's definitely for sure cut science classes out of the curriculum, especially sex ed, condoms and other contraceptive methods... also, let's do away with car seats (and seat-belts too!) and vaccinations altogether, and education in the Liberal Arts; and at the same time let's enforce "prayer"......... and NO RELIGION except Christianity matters.... and let's go carpet bomb other countries!!! Right? Yay!


Right? Did I get it right?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Ok, I'll bite.

If you aren't for socialism or Bernie then you;

Hate the poor
Hate science
Love Christianity and want a theocracy
ad nauseum

And you think we're the ones messed up?

ha

Corporate tax rates are lower in Europe.

Individual tax rates are higher in Europe.

Social Democracy reigns.

Marxist/Corporatism is divine.

a reply to: DBCowboy

If you aren't for socialism or Bernie then you;

Hate the poor
Hate science
Love Christianity and want a theocracy
ad nauseum

Apparently.

If you say so.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Corporate tax rates are lower in Europe.

Individual tax rates are higher in Europe.

Social Democracy reigns.

Marxist/Corporatism is divine.

Then why do the hard socialist like Holland enjoy a higher standard of living then we do?

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Is Conservative Ideology Finally Dead?

Define your terms?

Oh my, I believe a bridge has been constructed and blatant untrue rhetoric trolls have taken up residence and getting gruff.

So many falsehoods and twists in the last few pages.

Woodrow Wilson did not begin the Fed reserve unless the man owns a Tardis... recall a fellow named Andrew Jackson disbanded it because it was constitutionally illegal? They banded together and got it back though... So basically anything said by the poster spouting that needs to cite sources for any credibility of their side because wow so many distortions of fact going on... like the government cannot remove freedoms and stick to the constitution... um it does and the same poster pointed out later the very process that creates the bureaucratic nightmare that restricts through heavy taxation then bans, then there's the soon they will start re interpreting the constitution... um they already do that its called the whole judicial branch.

Leaving states rights alone for the individual as someone stated sounds good for limiting Fed over reach but not realistic as 51 state constitutions mean the possibility of 51 different countries if states are left to legislate wholly on their own with no larger over sight... holy micro/macrocosm as thats 51 possible nightmares like we have with just 1 country...

Not going to get into obvious troll battles because battle trolls obvious; before this post and where there is so much fallacy stated as fact and refusal to answer a single simple question? Futility to even attempt debate and debunk if it is more of the same outright misinformation... whether that is intentional or not to frustrate and wear down to kill the thread... Who's to say?

Since much of my ancestry was resigned to reservations? I reserve the right to not reply to out right ignorance; as much of the founding documents ideals stemmed from the very functional Cherokee nation that was already here... as a little side note? It doesn't get stated anywhere but very advanced college text books, but the native population in the US before it was the US equaled the US's population in 1996 the hidden genocide basically... and since others have had fun not citing I'll not cite for that either... but it certainly isnt a waste of time if anyone care to look deeper than belly button lint. The textbook is/was called Portrait of America and it pulls zero unbiased punches... with full citations being a text book.

oh and one last note? Socailism does not equal communism

Adios