Is Conservative Ideology Finally Dead?

We can only hope so if we expect to see a brighter future.

With all of the progression that our nation and modern world has been through over the recent decades, I have to wonder about the conservatives.

Every year we see them compromise more and more. And while this is a "good" thing, it really weakens their MO more and more every year.

I mean, churches lower their standards every year. Accepting this and that "new" trend in society.

Laughable. Sad. For them.

And now, Donald Trump is their so called leader?

I'm all for it! As a natural progressive I can't see anything wrong with him.
He is no conservative, however.

And Cruz? Informed citizens know how corrupt he is.

What to do, what to do...

Well, I think its completely natural, this course we are taking.

I often ask myself how anyone could still cling to the concepts of conservatism.
I think it is ultimately evil to foster a sink or swim world.

The very idea that you would do away with helping others because "why should I pay for others to sit around and leach off the government" etc is so outdated and evil that it just reeks of 20th century smokiness.

If Trump wins the nomination then the Conservatives and the Republican Party are officially over. Thank you Universe!

It'll be dead when you kill us.

You can have liberty or equality. You cannot have both. So long as there are those who are conservative, there will be those who fight for liberty, and you will not have perfect equality. You will only have that over our dead bodies.

Now if we can only replace the ideologies of both parties and be liberated from the stranglehold they have on our political system.

Any ideology, when taken to the extreme, is a bad thing. Liberals and conservatives need one another. Democrats and Republicans need one another. It's the only way to balance out the stupid in each side of the political spectrum.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It'll be dead when you kill us.

You can have liberty or equality. You cannot have both. So long as there are those who are conservative, there will be those who fight for liberty, and you will not have perfect equality. You will only have that over our dead bodies.

I can't agree with any ideology that refuses to be happy under a society of equality. "Liberty" to those people means the liberty to treat others with inequality.

No, I do not agree with liberty under that definition.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
Any ideology, when taken to the extreme, is a bad thing. Liberals and conservatives need one another. Democrats and Republicans need one another. It's the only way to balance out the stupid in each side of the political spectrum.

thats not true at all. you can find a medium and make that combination of philosophies a new political idea. this us vs them mindset is an outdated way of thinking. you either want to make society as a whole better, or not.

i will pay a bit more taxes if it means free health care for all, i dont want some depressed weeaboo to be able to purchase a goddamn ar15, i want women to have as much freedom to do with their bodies as they wish.

Life is sink or swim, and I don't work all day so that able bodied people can collect a check.

There's a reason why liberalism and socialism are failing in Europe. There's not enough people working to support all the people that aren't.

originally posted by: vjr1113

originally posted by: EternalSolace
Any ideology, when taken to the extreme, is a bad thing. Liberals and conservatives need one another. Democrats and Republicans need one another. It's the only way to balance out the stupid in each side of the political spectrum.

this us vs them mindset is an outdated way of thinking. you either want to make society as a whole better, or not.

And everyone has their own mindset as to how to make things better. If left unchecked, it becomes a one-party rule that can be used to force ideals on others who don't agree. It's not a hard thing to imagine what things would be like if one system was allowed to run rampant.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It'll be dead when you kill us.

You can have liberty or equality. You cannot have both. So long as there are those who are conservative, there will be those who fight for liberty, and you will not have perfect equality. You will only have that over our dead bodies.

Can you describe to me what liberties you would be missing in a Sander's America?

I really want to know.

To add, in my mind one should always be able to:

Own land

Own a firearm

Vote

Have health insurance

Have food when in need of assistance

Be able to travel freely

Freedom of speech

The right to choose life or death

The right to use "drugs"

The right to have or not have any religion that you would want

The right to marry whomever you would want



What else? What am I missing?


Funny, looking at this list, the only side that ever would want to change any of the above would be the conservatives.

I could be wrong

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

If Conservatism dies, who will pay for all the socialist idealist programs?



The Progressive failures will be so massive, it will look like automatic anarchy.

Can anybody imagine all the same jealous hysterical democrats running everything.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Conservatism is not dead.

The term 'conservative' has been hijacked by Right-Wing partisan hacks that have been brainwashed by propaganda.

Proof is within this thread.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I'm worried that you don't actually understand conservatism. Also, the fact that you think you represent the majority of the country is a bit dillusional.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein


The very idea that you would do away with helping others because "why should I pay for others to sit around and leach off the government" etc is so outdated and evil that it just reeks of 20th century smokiness.

This is not conservatism.

What I hope dies sooner rather than later is ignorance. Particularly the type propagated by your post.

a reply to: ExNihiloRed

Please, enlighten me.
I really want to know what it means to be a conservative in 2016.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
Any ideology, when taken to the extreme, is a bad thing. Liberals and conservatives need one another. Democrats and Republicans need one another. It's the only way to balance out the stupid in each side of the political spectrum.

When there's only really two parties when it comes down to electoral college representation... identification with either means a catch all... you're for the extremist views represented by extreme right and extreme left even if you're not an extremist... as how else are those wanting racial segregation, religious moral law or no borders, vegan... sorry to generalize as I am sure all of those cross party lines... but stereo-typically there's truth to those being right or left... and that's the problem. Republicans are not in a republican ideology anymore and democrats are not operating a democrat ideology anymore...

this is how divided we are as a nation with two parties and an outdated political system holding it to those two parties... sports teams whether we like it or not... choose one hey now you're on the racist side... choose the other hey lets talk about not eating meat ever again. Well dang, I was thinking about hosting a steak dinner with 6 friends of different nationalities and color... wait there's independent? Thank goodness!!

a reply to: EternalSolace

you're still in this mindset that half the people think one way and the other half think another way. people are complicated, if you subscribe to just one political philosophy without thinking about it, you're an idiot. that why i challenge conservative philosophies here almost everyday, it just so happens liberalism brings the most good to as many people as possible, name one conservative idea that isn't selfish.

a reply to: Abysha

Not really.

You cannot have any individual liberty in a society forced to be perfectly equal in its outcomes. We are all of us different with different talents, different hopes and dreams, different aspirations. Why should I allow myself to be forced into a predetermined societal mold of the government's making in order to be exactly like everyone else and not make any feel bad because I have talents they don't? Why should I suffer and possibly eventually break in silence attempting to be able to do those things the societal mold demands I ought in order to be like everyone else and equal?

And if I fail, what then? Such societies inevitably discard the misfits.

I don't want to live in your enforced equality Utopia. I am not made to be part of the world of The Giver or 1984 or Brave New World. There is a reason why those are dystopias.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Wow, I guess progressives aren't as open minded as they claim to be... just a bunch of ignorant bigotry in the OP. Aren't you concerned? When conservatism is dead, the progressive movement will naturally drift to the right to fill the void. I am sure you wont, you are just a pandering liberal patting your own back, but I imagine you will develop some conservative values as soon as you find yourself in the thieves den.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: ExNihiloRed

Please, enlighten me.
I really want to know what it means to be a conservative in 2016.

Simply put, I believe in free market principles over a large federal government.

Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: EternalSolace

you're still in this mindset that half the people think one way and the other half think another way. people are complicated, if you subscribe to just one political philosophy without thinking about it, you're an idiot. that why i challenge conservative philosophies here almost everyday, it just so happens liberalism brings the most good to as many people as possible, name one conservative idea that isn't selfish.

That's a strange coincidence isn't it? Seems like a perfect example of the us vs them mentality you mentioned?

I'm merely stating that no matter what the ideology is, even if it's a new ideology, it has got to be balanced out with different ideas. I'm for a collaborative effort. Are you only for liberalism? Because even that, if left unchecked, is harmful.

a reply to: ExNihiloRed

Fair enough, but this is just an ideal scenario and we have gone too far for this work anymore.

Furthermore, I should add that I feel that beyond the fiscal ideology and smaller sized government ideals, conservative "thinking", conservative values, etc are what drives the definition that you posted above.