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Republican Presidential Debate

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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:52 PM
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a reply to: Enochstask


That's how you win conflicts by bombing the other side in to submission. Putin does it and no one says anything, but as soon as America does it all of the "hate America first" crowd comes out screaming.


I agree.




posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:52 PM
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a reply to: Enochstask

My only thing is...walls keep people out, sure.

How long though, before those walls are used to keep people IN?

Personally I like to travel. I did an informal survey among my friends and found that my more liberal/democrat-leaning friends travel more or have traveled more outside of the USA. Perhaps building a wall just doesn't bother conservatives as much, as they have no real desire to travel outside the USA?

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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Enochstask

My only thing is...walls keep people out, sure.

How long though, before those walls are used to keep people IN?

Personally I like to travel. I did an informal survey among my friends and found that my more liberal/democrat-leaning friends travel more or have traveled more outside of the USA. Perhaps building a wall just doesn't bother conservatives as much, as they have no real desire to travel outside the USA?


When your castle is under siege and burning, is that really the time to wonder if they will ever lower the drawbridge again so that you can go to the country and have a picnic?



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: Enochstask
That's how you win conflicts by bombing the other side in to submission. Putin does it and no one says anything, but as soon as America does it all of the "hate America first" crowd comes out screaming.


Two misconceptions here:
1. Bombing people into submission doesn't work. Bombing only destroys infrastructure, which makes it easier to conquer the regions military. Defensive guerrilla warfare doesn't care about bombing campaigns at all, if anything it helps them because it gives ordinary citizens something to fight back against.

2. Most Americans are somewhat competitive with Russia, why would people be upset about Russia making enemies? If anything it divides the attention of our enemy and lessens the pressure on us.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom


How long though, before those walls are used to keep people IN?


I don't think the American people will allow Congress to pass laws keeping Americans prison in their own country.

If that would happened, you will see a revolution in this country.
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: MystikMushroom


How long though, before those walls are used to keep people IN?


I don't think the American people will allow Congress to pass laws keeping Americans prison in their own country.

If that would happened, you will see a revolution in this country.


Why wouldn't they? There is no right to travel in the constitution.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan


Why wouldn't they? There is no right to travel in the constitution.


So true, but we Americans are many things, however we will never give up our liberties. I just don't see that happening.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: MystikMushroom


How long though, before those walls are used to keep people IN?


I don't think the American people will allow Congress to pass laws keeping Americans prison in their own country.

If that would happened, you will see a revolution in this country.


Why wouldn't they? There is no right to travel in the constitution.


Google is your friend. Many many instances of case law exist that dispute your quote.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Enochstask
That's how you win conflicts by bombing the other side in to submission. Putin does it and no one says anything, but as soon as America does it all of the "hate America first" crowd comes out screaming.


Two misconceptions here:
1. Bombing people into submission doesn't work. Bombing only destroys infrastructure, which makes it easier to conquer the regions military. Defensive guerrilla warfare doesn't care about bombing campaigns at all, if anything it helps them because it gives ordinary citizens something to fight back against.

2. Most Americans are somewhat competitive with Russia, why would people be upset about Russia making enemies? If anything it divides the attention of our enemy and lessens the pressure on us.


So if your in the middle of the desert hiding amongst the population and your enemy destroys your infrastructure including your water facilities that has no effect on you?



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 12:04 AM
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a reply to: Informer1958




we will never give up our liberties


Patriot act


People were already cheering for his speech to shut down parts of the internet and extra monitoring. Such a thing can be easily manipulated against citizens.

So I have to disagree with you.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 12:08 AM
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Patriot act


People were already cheering for his speech to shut down parts of the internet and extra monitoring. Such a thing can be easily manipulated against citizens.

So I have to disagree with you.


Ah, good point! I didn't think about that.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 12:48 AM
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So then why if it is a fact would we need to go after the families that our own gov recruited?!

This is AQ all over again, but yeah let's spend trillions more on a war that doesn't do anything but kill our own people and just restart the clock on this issue.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 02:00 AM
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Chris Christie is a nut case and would have us in a war with Russia pretty quickly it sounds like. Bunch of monkeys beating their chests like Gorillas tonight. I like aspects of Trump and aspects of Carson. Maybe there can be a twisted clone that brings out the best DNA in both of those guys to make a creature worth voting for. I used to lean more toward the Democrats but they are literally a socialist party these days. I am for rebuilding America on good old fashioned capitalism based on american sweat and brow,and staying out of foreign affairs unless there is a dire need to interfere. We did no good in Iraq in my eyes, Jeb is a fool blinded by his family legacy like the rest of the elites. Seriously Jeb what are you still doing on stage with 3% of the votes? Oil lines and other natural resources are not a good reason to displace people and leave Middle East in turmoil, and there are places that $3 trillion went to could have fed homeless, cured diseases, funded education. Someone once told me how long it would take a person to count to a trillion and if you tried you would have to live to be something like 10,000 years old. Don't quote me on that I am terrible at math but you get the idea. If Bernie Sanders get the Democratic nomination because the Clinton monster doesn't get busted by the FBI for using her secured server and hiding her emails then I will vote for him. Although I do believe him to be one of the biggest Socialist of all, but at least I don't think he is literally evil. Unfortunate bunch of nuckle headed candidates may very well push USA over the edge and America will be pledging allegiance to the trump towers.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 02:54 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
Google is your friend. Many many instances of case law exist that dispute your quote.


There is case law, but that's referring to travel between states. I was referring to the constitution (yes, I'm aware we have many more laws than are what is enumerated in the constitution). However, since the constitution is the only document we have which has hard to change limitations on power built into it, it is relevant.

As far as I'm aware the position that the government can't prevent you from leaving the country is far more tenuous than travel between states. We already do that to an extent with travel bans to specific locations (and yes, I realize those bans are done to prevent stupid people from doing unwise things like traveling to NK), Cuba is a recent example that has finally started to change. Legally I'm pretty sure there's no difference in the authority to prevent travel to one nation being copied 150 times and preventing travel to every nation.


originally posted by: Enochstask
So if your in the middle of the desert hiding amongst the population and your enemy destroys your infrastructure including your water facilities that has no effect on you?


Oh, it will have an effect. But it will also be treated by the world as a genocide as you make millions, many of whom weren't your enemies or even related to your enemies die of thirst. If you do that you'll probably bring in humanitarian aid workers to give them water, which will get back to the fighters, and now you're going to have humanitarians to deal with in addition to the innocent population and the not so innocent population. Worse, how many more people do you think will want to fight when you take away their water?

Note that as I already said, they're fighting economically. Trading their blood, sweat, tears, and lives to burn the dollars in your pocket and make the treasury turn up empty. If we took a tough stance like you propose and wipe out their water centers that genocide will happen. What is the economic backlash from the rest of the world going to look like when whatever president authorizes this can include America in events like the Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, Cambodian Killing Fields, and Rwanda? People won't want to deal with us. It will seriously weaken the dollar as a currency, it will eliminate any moral authority we have in negotiations, it will strain relations with our allies, and it will cost us a lot of trade all in all... several things that play into the enemies plan of trading their blood for our economy.
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posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
If you buy quality you don't need to buy as often. That means fewer purchases, which means fewer jobs, which means higher unemployment. That's the real reason we push cheap, it creates repeat purchases which keeps people employed.


Not really about keeping people employed though is it ? It's about living the capitalist dream of maximising profits and these companies pushing cheap will happily take the axe to any members of staff in order to maintain those profit margins.

If we live in a society where we have to keep people employed for the sake of being employed then our society is incredibly flawed, the fact is there too many people and too few jobs, yet the supposed solution is to force people into bull# jobs artificially created because being employed is the status quo. When we have a system that values quality of life over employment status then we will have a lot of fewer problems in the world, but as long as the mantra remains to be earn as much money as possible and for everybody to live a life of servitude then the world will remain broken. Everybody thinks how bull# the current way of life is, nobody is truly 100% happy with the way world works, yet not one single person will step up to the plate to begin a revolution to change the way this world works.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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So then why if it is a fact would we need to go after the families that our own gov recruited?!

This is AQ all over again, but yeah let's spend trillions more on a war that doesn't do anything but kill our own people and just restart the clock on this issue.


I understand what your saying, however if I was the President I would just close our boarders and send all our troops home and let ISS do what they want.

They couldn't hurt us because they cant come in our country. Truthfully I really don't have answer for this quagmire.



posted on Dec, 16 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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Well, it appears that Jeb Bush clearly won the debate.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: 51Reasons
Someone once told me how long it would take a person to count to a trillion and if you tried you would have to live to be something like 10,000 years old.


If you can count 3 numbers per second it would take you 10,570 years... if you're counting by 1's.



posted on Dec, 17 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Discotech
If we live in a society where we have to keep people employed for the sake of being employed then our society is incredibly flawed, the fact is there too many people and too few jobs, yet the supposed solution is to force people into bull# jobs artificially created because being employed is the status quo.


Welcome to the flaw of our society.




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