Donald Trump Solidifies His Lead, but Leaves Many Nervous

a reply to: Enochstask

I think you need to provide a source, including audio/video, that indicates as much.

All you've done so far is link 'politifact'.....

what are YOUR SOURCES?!!!

originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: Enochstask

Dude, I don't even know what to say. Do you name call in every single post? It's always some prepubescent version of someone's name (you've got multiple ones for Obama, Hillary, & Bernie). Come here with some intelligence, please. What you are doing is not debating, it's not even arguing, it's just petty nonsense. There are actual ways to make a point. Try substance, and facts. The name calling just makes it look like you've got nothing, and perhaps that's what it boils down to.

It's the height of bad manners to tell your betters what to do.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Actually, the best the Democrats have is Sanders, who is almost incomprehensibly better than every other option. He's more of an independent at heart, though.

He's the best that ANYONE has......

Dems, Reps, Indies, Unaffiliateds.....
he's the ONLY viable candidate.

We just have to wait til all the hubbub dies down.

He's a friggin socialist... In case you forgot what that was:

any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Do you want the government involved in EVERYTHING??? It's bad enough as it is.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LSU0408

Doesn't matter. You tried to extrapolate the personal to the political and in doing so showed hypocrisy in your political choice.

No, Intro, I asked you a simple question. Would you trust someone that is going to lie to you. It had nothing to do with Someone lying to their spouse, that was in reference to whether or not you would trust your significant other if you knew they would lie to you. There was no extrapolating on my behalf.

If there is no extrapolation from the personal to the political, your question, and any subsequent answer, would be completely irrelevant considering the topic at hand.

a reply to: LSU0408

But... Bernie isn't actually doing that. He's just changing what you already have. Like making the Healthcare system not suck, and improving infrastructure.

Seriously though. Bernie is NOT what you think a "Socialist" is, you're talking about pure Socialism, which, I agree with you, is terrible.
You seem pretty reasonable. Look into his campaign more closely. Perhaps you already have, though, and I'm just wasting my time.

I feel it's worth noting that he wants to abolish the Drug War and let the individual states regulate things rather than having, say, marijuana be illegal at a federal level or whatever it is now.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LSU0408

Doesn't matter. You tried to extrapolate the personal to the political and in doing so showed hypocrisy in your political choice.

No, Intro, I asked you a simple question. Would you trust someone that is going to lie to you. It had nothing to do with Someone lying to their spouse, that was in reference to whether or not you would trust your significant other if you knew they would lie to you. There was no extrapolating on my behalf.

If there is no extrapolation from the personal to the political, your question, and any subsequent answer, would be completely irrelevant considering the topic at hand.

Are you stuck on the word extrapolation today? LOL!!

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Enochstask
Re: Trump.

It's incredibly easy to make money if you already have a lot of money. That's how the system is geared to work. The rich get richer.

Do you think Sanders will change that? Middle class will continue to struggle while we barely scrape by paying for our healthcare, and covering subsidies for bottom feeders, and not being able to afford our out of pocket expenses at the doc's office, etc.... The reward for being rich is being able to splurge and spoil yourself. Why the hell would you take that from someone or make sure they don't get richer?

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: LSU0408

Yes I have read about that but it was not as bad as been call a liar and dishonest, if you look at the lawyers from the San Bernardino terrorist killers, in the site it said that they can get over 90% of people from DUI charges, so lawyers do what they need to do.

I know, they're disgusting. I don't know how anyone could defend such atrocities.

a reply to: LSU0408

He's a friggin socialist... In case you forgot what that was:

I know exactly what it is....
I understand Democratic Socialism....

and he is right.

I didn't "forget" what it is: but sometimes I'm amazed at the number of ATS posters (like you) who are lapping up idiotic lies.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: LSU0408

But... Bernie isn't actually doing that. He's just changing what you already have. Like making the Healthcare system not suck, and improving infrastructure.

Seriously though. Bernie is NOT what you think a "Socialist" is, you're talking about pure Socialism, which, I agree with you, is terrible.
You seem pretty reasonable. Look into his campaign more closely. Perhaps you already have, though, and I'm just wasting my time.

The current commie in the White House also tried to fix the Health Care system and this is what we ended up with. See link below. Every time the government gives you an egg they take your chicken.

hosted.ap.org...

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Yeah she's not in this for anyone but herself and she's full of contradictions and hypocrisy no doubt.

a reply to: LSU0408

I think he will do everything he can to change that. Will he succeed? Honestly, I think I believe in him. He might get JFK'd though.

I don't think you'll disagree that his efforts to get corruption and money out of politics is bad thing. Right? Hell, I'd probably support Trump (though a lot less than Sanders) if that was his goal and I believed he meant it. That's the start of change. It has to come first.

a reply to: okrian

Do you have the same response when people pour in on Trump calling him racist and islamophobe and anything else thay can pin on him, or do you reserve the grape crushing for people that say something meaniebeanie about democratic candidates? The names are easy to read past if you don't like them, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't violate anything. No harm in using adjectives.

a reply to: marg6043

Exactly!

a reply to: LSU0408

Personally, I think Trump himself is probably not racist (to any extreme extent at least) or islamophobic, but he certainly seems crafted to appeal to the people who actually have those traits. Not that all his supporters are, of course.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: LSU0408

Please, tell me, have you actually researched him and his campaign in-depth, yourself?

If you haven't, please do yourself a massive favor and look into it. The "Socialist" accusation has been used a fear tactic for an extremely long time. Yes, pure socialism is terrible (though pure capitalism is just as bad), but that's not what Sanders actually is.

He's not even anti-gun, which is great for you guys (probably.)

He said it in the first democratic debate. He said he was a socialist. Hillary said she's a progressive. The question came after Hillary was asked why she flip flops on her answer every time she's asked whether she's a prog, lib, or dem. I watched the entire thing, would you like the quote? It doesn't get much more plain than his openly stating what he was.

Edit:

COOPER: Senator Sanders. A Gallup poll says half the country would not put a socialist in the White House. You call yourself a democratic socialist. How can any kind of socialist win a general election in the United States?

SANDERS: Well, we’re gonna win because first, we’re gonna explain what democratic socialism is. And what democratic socialism is about is saying that it is immoral and wrong that the top one-tenth of 1 percent in this country own almost 90 percent — almost — own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. That it is wrong, today, in a rigged economy, that 57 percent of all new income is going to the top 1 percent. That when you look around the world, you see every other major country providing health care to all people as a right, except the United States. You see every other major country saying to moms that, when you have a baby, we’re not gonna separate you from your newborn baby, because we are going to have — we are gonna have medical and family paid leave, like every other country on Earth. Those are some of the principles that I believe in, and I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway, and learn from what they have accomplished for their working people.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: LSU0408

He's a friggin socialist... In case you forgot what that was:

I know exactly what it is....
I understand Democratic Socialism....

and he is right.

I didn't "forget" what it is: but sometimes I'm amazed at the number of ATS posters (like you) who are lapping up idiotic lies.

Yet when Commie Sanders tells the mother of all lies that ISIS is fueled by global warming you lap that nonsense up.

a reply to: introvert

So you would or would not elect/support someone that you know will lie straight to your face?

a reply to: LSU0408

But is that literally all you know about him? If it is, and you haven't for instance looked at his policies or speeches, I implore you to do so. If you see everything he has to offer, and still disagree, then fair is fair. I just don't want you instantly shutting off your mind at the word "Socialist."
In the quote he's saying "Democratic Socialist", that may seem like small fries to you, but it's a huge difference.


"Progressive" is something that should be inherently good. The term should never be applied to someone like Hillary, who by all appearances simply sells herself to the highest bidder.

a reply to: LSU0408

SANDERS: Well, we’re gonna win because first, we’re gonna explain what democratic socialism is.

see, LSU, at that point you have to start paying attention, if not taking notes....

And what democratic socialism is about is saying that it is immoral and wrong that the top one-tenth of 1 percent in this country own almost 90 percent — almost — own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. That it is wrong, today, in a rigged economy, that 57 percent of all new income is going to the top 1 percent...

etc.

And your problem with this is....what, again?

And you're 'paraphrasing' whom, again?

And WHAT is wrong or objectionable about that quote (that YOU posted)? I only posted half of it...if that.

You tell me, what is WRONG with what he said - that stuff you just posted......

please.