Should We Try To Prevent War? The Bible Says No

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It just makes no sense to blame people for using judgment.

I get what you are saying and what Jesus said but it is abused by many when they just make blanket statements claiming judgment is bad all together.

Point being is that judge not lest ye be judged does not mean to not rationalize a situation.

Can someone please tell me how, say, the Poles were supposed to have reacted when several million heavily armed Germans hoved over the horizon? Given them a stern talking to about morality?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Can someone please tell me how, say, the Poles were supposed to have reacted when several million heavily armed Germans hoved over the horizon? Given them a stern talking to about morality?

Honestly, with the haste that the Germans tookover, it seems like they let them in.

In "The Kingdom of Heaven is Within" Leo Tolstoy talks about how 'turning the other cheek' is something that is never practiced by "Christians" in powerful political positions.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Can someone please tell me how, say, the Poles were supposed to have reacted when several million heavily armed Germans hoved over the horizon? Given them a stern talking to about morality?

Honestly, with the haste that the Germans tookover, it seems like they let them in.

In "The Kingdom of Heaven is Within" Leo Tolstoy talks about how 'turning the other cheek' is something that is never practiced by "Christians" in powerful political positions.

NO. Sorry, but no. Please look up the Polish campaign of 1939. There was nothing easy about it, especially not the fighting in Warsaw.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Our species has been waging wars since long, long before even the Old Testament was written. It's a curse, if you will; being a creature with so much potential but that chooses paths that take it to darker and darker ends.

I am a Christian but I have no chosen religion. I read and try to find messaged truths lost over the millenia through variations that have been inflicted through purposeful changes and then, translations. I believe they exist and as of this moment, I do honestly think we are in what many call, the end times.

So, why would my chosen deity want war for us? Because it is the cure for what ails us. The human condition is one of constant contrariness, hypocrisy and pointless, self-inflicted losses.
Maybe someday... if we survive, we'll outgrow it. We damned sure need to.

In closing, I may be wrong. In fact, I hope I am wrong for the sake of my children and grandchildren but... if I am not, then I hope and pray that they are prepared for what now approaches.

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a reply to: redoubt

Using war to cure war? You can't solve a problem using the same sort of thinking that caused it.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: redoubt

Using war to cure war? You can't solve a problem using the same sort of thinking that caused it.

To the contrary - problems lead to resolutions, failures to successes.

You burn your finger even though your Mommy said that iron was hot - now ya know.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: redoubt

Using war to cure war? You can't solve a problem using the same sort of thinking that caused it.

You know the very first time I heard the saying "Using fire to fight fire." I couldn't understand how that is supposed to work. Why would I want to put fire on top of a fire to put it out? Of course I know now what it means, but I agree, using war to end war is dumb.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Like I said, it's all about the hypocrisy to me. Not about how bad judging actually is or not.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

NO. Sorry, but no. Please look up the Polish campaign of 1939. There was nothing easy about it, especially not the fighting in Warsaw.

Inform me, or show me some links.

From what I gather, there was a Defense Effort, but it was only a small political group... everyone else seemed complacent letting the Axis annex Poland. Whether that be because of the overwhelming military might, or ideological similarities, I do not know. The entire process took less than a month...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"... using war to end war is dumb."

Let me ask this... if you had been alive back in the late 1930s, early 1940s... would you have supported allowing Hitler to run a military rampage across Europe unchecked?

Just curious, is all...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: deadeyedick

Like I said, it's all about the hypocrisy to me. Not about how bad judging actually is or not.

Yea and like I said without hypocrites the world would be worse off.

I could care less what you do if you are in private but if I am lost I do not mind a sinner giving me directions if they are right.

I am reminded of a person stuck in quick sand calling out for others not to follow him in and the person claiming that he has no right to give directions because he is drowning.

a reply to: redoubt

Not until we were attacked. So basically I would have wanted to stay isolationist until Pearl Harbor. I have no problems fighting a war to defend ourselves.

a reply to: deadeyedick

The problem is that many Christians don't behave like that. I see too many Christians write people off completely just because they happened to have committed a sin that that particular Christian is particularly not fond of. I mean, gee, if you are a woman in this country that has gotten an abortion, you might as well just tattoo 666 on your forehead the way some Christians act.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Can someone please tell me how, say, the Poles were supposed to have reacted when several million heavily armed Germans hoved over the horizon? Given them a stern talking to about morality?

turn the other cheek.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I can agree with that

the reason many defend the bible is because there is the constant perversion of the text and if left unchecked could end with people saying the same thing as they do about the peaceful muslims and that is that they do not defend the message they claim they put forth.

a reply to: redoubt

You can't cure poison by putting more poison in the wound, too much of anything is bad for you. Like Tzar said, you can't cure war with more war, the idea is ridiculous within itself.

What we need is love which happens to be exactly what Jesus teaches us about. You cannot love those whom you kill in war. Those who believe Jesus will come back to kill unbelievers with war and extermination are sadly mistaken.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: redoubt

You can't cure poison by putting more poison in the wound, too much of anything is bad for you. Like Tzar said, you can't cure war with more war, the idea is ridiculous within itself.

What we need is love which happens to be exactly what Jesus teaches us about. You cannot love those whom you kill in war. Those who believe Jesus will come back to kill unbelievers with war and extermination are sadly mistaken.

Excellent reply.
You did definitely give thought. I am impressed and appreciative. Seriously, sincerely.

That noted, however... let me offer this: IF we were a race of creatures that was not prone to repeat mistakes, over and over and over... then I would immediately side with you. But, we're not.

We need a tough lesson to graduate. WW2 was not enough.

Thanks again

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: Krazysh0t

"... using war to end war is dumb."

Let me ask this... if you had been alive back in the late 1930s, early 1940s... would you have supported allowing Hitler to run a military rampage across Europe unchecked?

Just curious, is all...

Jesus is just another hitler.

The kingdom of god is the fourth reich, if you take revelations seriously at all.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Your a nut with nutty opinions.