South Carolina school officer caught on video beating down student in arrest

a reply to: chuck258

I disagree that he had a right to arrest her, what crime had she committed?
Disobeying a command isn't necessarily against the law. A cop can't just come over and tell what to do and you have to listen.
Do we really want to try and say disturbing the class is against the law?

And before calling my statement ignorant, did you read the rest where I placed blame on her? I don't think she is equally responsible for the actions of the officer though. The officer is the one that decided to go overboard.

I am going to focus more on the adult, the paid professional and not a kid who is doing what kids do.
Strange how that works, I know. That I expect more from the cop then I do from the kid.

So, just like some who are quick to label others as 'racist' to try to shut legitimate criticism down, some here use the term 'cop hater' to try to shut down criticism of bad police actions.

What should the cop have done? Simple. You call the student's parents, because if people in authority are incapable of dealing with a disruptive student, then you get the parents to deal with them. The cop could have, should have talked calmy to the student and spoke to her about the way she was being disruptive, and that her parents have been called to deal with her.

Fact is, you don't evict a student that way unless they are acting in a manner to cause harm, You don't cause harm to evict the student. Start treating each other like human beings and over a period of time, respect due will come.

a reply to: FraggleRock

In the UK the government and the media are running a dirty war against cops. It's been going on for decades, particularly in the eighties black operations were carried out to encourage the worst of police behaviour. Now the brainwashing media is telling us to distrust all cops. I don't need to be told. I distrust all cops since my first experience with them many years ago. What we have to beware of here is the deliberate destruction of the old style of policing to be replaced with private police traitors who'll serve only the rich. That's how it is in the UK.

Obviously it's different in the US. I learned from dealing with people badly damaged through drugs that you have to remember you're dealing with the drug, not a rational human. Any war on cops in the US is largely a war on steroids. www.policechiefmagazine.org...

. . . even if a man has a mildmannered, gentle personality when not taking AASs, there is still a risk that he might develop a sudden personality change and become uncharacteristically aggressive and violent while taking AASs.

Symptoms Associated with Use or Abuse:

Mania or hypomania (high energy levels associated with increased self-confidence, increased activity, impaired judgment, and reckless behavior)

Psychosis—loss of touch with reality (for example, paranoia or delusions of grandeur; infrequent)

Personality changes

Reasonable Cause: Several symptoms can indicate that someone is abusing AASs. Symptoms may include the following:

Visible increase in body mass over a short period of time (usually months)

Fluid retention (bloating)

Noticeable acne and/or oily skin

Mood swings, particularly if aggressive

Unreasonable emotional responses to situations

Voice changes (such as deepening voices in women)

Facial hair growth in women

Multiple incidents of “use of force” or complaints of improper outbursts and attitude

a reply to: Sremmos80

The cop's nuts and obviously so. The people responsible are the non-steroid wrecked adults who allowed this drug crazed freak to come into contact with children. He's so mangled by steroids he isn't responsible for his actions. I don't know where to place these drugged monsters but for the safety of children they have to be confined somewhere.

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

all she had to do was leave the class and she decided not to. she is looking to sue the school, the security team and anyone else that is remotely involved with the incident. the time to argue the fairness or lack of fairness isn't at the time of the incident. it's before the school administrator or whoever has authority in this matter. she knew what would happen if she refused to leave when politely asked. i don't feel sorry for her. she chose the path and now she has to walk it to its end. it was planned long before the incident that she would attempt to poke the bear and enter into a lawsuit.

unfortunately the security officer, the teacher and the school staff will now be involved in a law suit because of the decision of this kid to "fight the power!"

bovine excrement

I'm quite interested to hear how you know that the school student involved planned this whole incident long before it happened.

They really need to reword the immunity laws on the books for police arresting people. All it's done is cause the police to resort to force cause they know they can, does not matter if they do it cause it'll get the job done fast or if they get some sick joy out of doing it this way. They need to take a look at the books and place regulations back in to how arrest are being made.

There are number of ways to open a can I could one use a can opener, I could push on the side and pop the top or I could use a hammer and smash it open. The can might be open, but most still view the first option as the right way.

a reply to: symphonyofblase

it's par for the course.
the girl and her family will hold a press conference, the news outlets will sensationalize the situation to sell ad time and get web site hits. lawyers will speak to how traumatized their client is. it happens time and time again.

When I was a student, it would have been a teacher that used physical methods of making a student compliant when they refused to obey the rules. The problem would have been solved right then and there, and rather quickly.

Now, the school officials have to call the cops in to take care of BRATS.... Kids that refuse to follow the rules.

What are school administrators supposed to do in this situation?
What is a cop supposed to do when she punches him?

The inmates are running the asylum, folks.
ETA:
Thinking about this further, just what else was supposed to be done to solve the problem that led up to the event here?
Should the school district go to court and have a judge order the student to follow the rules??? If the student then violated the court order, would it be permissible for cops to take the offender into custody???
Does anyone see how silly our freaking system has become?

a reply to: butcherguy

i remember the wooden paddles in the principle's office.

originally posted by: abe froman
Because of all the media attention to abuses of authority and the lack of a strong guiding hand at home, many children have developed an " I don't have to do what you tell me" attitude.

He was bigger than her is not an excuse, she was disruptive, she was asked to leave.

This is where "make me" gets you.

As far as the "If it was my daughter..." comments, if you had raised your daughter correctly, she wouldn't have been in that situation to begin with.

Because every kid that has a bug up their backside about the law, was raised by criminals, yeah?

All these kowtowing people in here, pretty sickening really. No wonder the cops are killing people without a care in the world. You're all ready to excuse it.

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: butcherguy

i remember the wooden paddles in the principle's office.

The elementary school that I attended had a paddle with nails sticking through it... 'The Nail Paddle'. It was purposely kept hanging in view of student population, and tales were told of 'the really bad kid' that was paddled with it some years before... of course it never had happened.... but the rumors worked.

originally posted by: laminatedsoul
Because every kid that has a bug up their backside about the law, was raised by criminals, yeah?

All these kowtowing people in here, pretty sickening really. No wonder the cops are killing people without a care in the world. You're all ready to excuse it.

Oooooooorrrrr, some of us--even those of us with children--have a reasonable desire to point out personal responsibility, both by the parents and the children AND the officer.

You know that there is a grey area in between the officer being a crazed maniac hell-bent on killing people, and people defending the cop and saying it was all the girl's fault, right?

That's a serious question--you do know that, right? Most of us do not live our lives in these extremes that you point out.

When I was in high school, I was probably seen as the quintessential "lost cause" by my teachers--I started high school in AP classes earning straight-A's, and by the time I graduated, I was sent to a "continuation school" to finish my final quarter because I had racked up more than 200 cuts that year alone and was failing out of many of my classes...not out of stupidity and incapability, but I made the choice to be a pothead over taking my schooling seriously.

My point being that I knew my school's resource officer very well, and there were times that I would be yanked out of class (figuratively, not physically) to get a field check done on me to see if I were high, or they would check my backpack to ensure that I didn't have any weed or paraphernalia on school grounds. But my parents (and mainly my dad at that point, since I was only living with him) instilled in me a sense of duty to respect people, especially adults and people in positions of authority. So, even though going through my backpack might have been arguably an illegal search, since they had no real reason to suspect me of having weed or anything (I had never been caught with it on me), I was still respectful and let them do what needed to be done because I respected that it was his job to try and keep drugs off of the school's property.

Sure, I could have acted like a jackass to the SRO every time he confronted me, but that would have made zero sense, both for me and him--he was just doing his job, and the majority of the time, I was high and knew that I was in the wrong and had brought those suspicions upon myself. I did, however, have a few friends that did act like a jackass to the SRO, and they found themselves more than a few times being escorted to juvenile hall to have their parents come get them, and they were expelled from school by the time I had graduated.

I guess what I'm getting at is that we all have to make choices, and in reference to the incident in this thread, both made some pretty bad decisions that both will have to live with. But I tell you, if that child knew anything about respecting other people, she wouldn't have let the incident evolve into what it did, and she certainly wouldn't have attempted to strike the officer when he was trying to remove her from the desk. When she did that, she was committing a violent criminal act, and while the officer may have gone too far with his use of force to remove her from the room, she had reaped her own reward at that point.

Having a bad attitude does not deserve a beating, cops are trained to know better than that.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Having a bad attitude does not deserve a beating, cops are trained to know better than that.

The problem is with kids not being trained to know better... you know, to follow school rules.

In fact, kids today have learned that they can do just what this girl did, (refuse to follow rules) and not only get away with it, but probably get a nice payout from the police department.

How do you get kids to follow rules... if they refuse?

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: butcherguy

i remember the wooden paddles in the principle's office.

The elementary school that I attended had a paddle with nails sticking through it... 'The Nail Paddle'. It was purposely kept hanging in view of student population, and tales were told of 'the really bad kid' that was paddled with it some years before... of course it never had happened.... but the rumors worked.

ha ha ha
we had similar stories.

a reply to: butcherguy

A police officer is a proffesional, not a bouncer, he gave a girl with a bad attitude a beat down.

Oh and its againts the law.

Suspend her, like what they did when i got rowdy at school.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
Nothing to see here. She was called in for obvious reasons. Why should other students or the teacher have to sit thru her bull#? If she can't act like a civilized human being then she should removed by all means necessary. If she is going to resist (which she did by not listening) then they get what's coming. It's not hard people...everyone has a choice and more times than not these idiots choose the wrong option.

Wait, what did she do, according to you?

What was her bs as you call it?

Seems like she must have been some rowdy agitator, or something... curious?!

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Having a bad attitude does not deserve a beating, cops are trained to know better than that.

The problem is with kids not being trained to know better... you know, to follow school rules.

In fact, kids today have learned that they can do just what this girl did, (refuse to follow rules) and not only get away with it, but probably get a nice payout from the police department.

How do you get kids to follow rules... if they refuse?

How do you get kids to follow the rules? Anymore, you don't. My mother-in-law just retired from teaching, unwillingly, because of this very situation. Every classroom had become entirely chaotic and the Administration had adopted a zero-tolerance/hands off policy as far as the Teachers were concerned. As she reports, there's a huge number of kids coming to the schools with the attitude they have the right to do anything they want and they know the teachers can't do anything to stop them from shutting down the classroom by disrupting it for their amusement. We are witnessing the destruction and dismantling of the Public Education system, with a few exceptions, all across the country. Its amazing to watch.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Suspend her, like what they did when i got rowdy at school.

She doesn't have to leave if they suspend her.
What do you do if she refuses?

Three different school officials asked her to leave the room. She refused. What do you do next? Ask her with a 'Pretty please and sugar on it' ?

Personally, she needed her butt busted,,,,,, this sense of entitlement that's been instilled into the minorities by al sharpton and obama,,,,

Here's the actual detailed facts:

Fellow students in the class that were interview Ed said " The teacher asked the girl to get off her phone, she refused, she was told to leave the class and refused, school administrators asked her to leave the class because she was on her phone and she continued to refuse, the School Resource Officer asked her to leave the room and she still refused, and it resulted in her and one other student being physically removed from class.

Other students reported " He asked her nicely to get up, over and over he did nothing wrong. They asked her to get up but she wanted to show off, To some it looks bad but she wanted to prove she was bad."

The Teacher was asked if he felt bad for what happened to her? his reply: " She should have cooperated."