CERN 'pre-dicts' 2015 as when they 'confirmed' SYMMETRY: Matter & Antimatter MIRROR Each Other

^oops! ROFL (notice the diabolical laugh @ 3 mins in)

Anyways, what they 'will discovered' later today:

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The existence of a fundamental symmetry in nature has been confirmed by measuring particle mass and electric charge using the CERN Large Hadron Collider. Researchers say it will help determine which theory on the laws of the universe is most plausible.

Can we have good without evil? Darkness without Light? Anyways, not sure by what they mean 'IN NATURE'. Anybody knows? I mean, all other scientific theories I've seen involving physics, subatomic particles, etc usually have nature implied but here it is explicitly stated. Why?

Wouldn't call their experiment a 'natural' environment. Is it natural for any particle other than a photon to move at or beyond the speed of light? (Not that that's what they have accomplished, but been wondering what's their obsession with 'Symmetry' and 'Nature' in their experiments lately! Esp given the above sinister slip-up)

a reply to: Milah

The attempt to open a window to peer onto the world of the unseen. An noble invocation. For some of us, it's scope is a natural perception and kinesthesia. For the banal, it may be an overload. Some minds are not fit to engage nor absorb such a cognitive revelation. I think most humans would revert to default program looping, coupled with outright denial.

It doesn't "matter" and it does "anti-matter".

"To be or not to be", that is the question -BOOM! (Big Bang)

a reply to: trifecta

by referring to that particular group as "some humans" do you mean that you are not part of the category?

a reply to: Milah

Sounds like ego slipping out to me.

Maybe after their done with this experiment they can work on discovering a sustainable global food supply. Billions are spent on unnecessary science while many humans continue to live without the basics. We are so worried about finding our how things began that we completely ignore humanity.

Is finding dark matter going to feed the homeless?
Will it build homes for the homeless?
Will it provide free sustainable energy?
What benefit is there for mankind in this experiment outside of science itself?

We spend so much time and money on things that we think are important. Yet we ignore those things wich are truly important.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
We spend so much time and money on things that we think are important. Yet we ignore those things wich are truly important.

And yet, spending money on things other than the poor has given us a wildly improved standard of living.

Had we stopped all development in, say, 0 AD, and just fed the hungry, your life expectancy would be about 30 years, and you'd be living in a grass hut.

Oddly enough, humanity can do more than one thing at a time. Hard to believe, but true.

The poor will be with you always.

CERN is a waste of Tax payers money...what, just to know Matter and Anti-matter mirror each other, pretty crappy excuse to spend Billions of dollars of tax payers money.

They are just only confirming the law of nature, that one cannot exist without the other, the Yin and the yang, they could have just trusted ancient philosophy than to spend that much money to come to the same conclusion..pfftt

Unless of course they have other agenda's at play.

Peace

originally posted by: Isurrender73
We spend so much time and money on things that we think are important. Yet we ignore those things wich are truly important.

originally posted by: Bedlam

And yet, spending money on things other than the poor has given us a wildly improved standard of living.

Had we stopped all development in, say, 0 AD, and just fed the hungry, your life expectancy would be about 30 years, and you'd be living in a grass hut.

Oddly enough, humanity can do more than one thing at a time. Hard to believe, but true.

The poor will be with you always.

I am not suggesting we stop investing in science. I am suggesting that we prioritize. We have the tech to feed and house every living human, but we fail to do so.

I will be much more impressed with science once we learn to prioritize that people are more important than knowledge.

We will always have the poor, this is true. But do we always have to have the hungry and homeless?

We have the ability to raise the definition of poor, but we would rather smash subatomic particles.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
We will always have the poor, this is true. But do we always have to have the hungry and homeless?

Probably, yes. At least until you can change human behavior.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Milah

Sounds like ego slipping out to me.

Maybe after their done with this experiment they can work on discovering a sustainable global food supply. Billions are spent on unnecessary science while many humans continue to live without the basics. We are so worried about finding our how things began that we completely ignore humanity.

Is finding dark matter going to feed the homeless?
Will it build homes for the homeless?
Will it provide free sustainable energy?
What benefit is there for mankind in this experiment outside of science itself?

We spend so much time and money on things that we think are important. Yet we ignore those things wich are truly important.

True...oh but wait. You wouldn't have the computer to write this with if we didn't spend money on things like this. Did you know that transistors (that make up computer chips) are purely quantum mechanical devices? So without the decades of "wasted" years on developing QM, there would be no computers, no timers, no internet and all those have VASTLY contributed to improving life on earth. As well as saving countless lives.

Did you know that MRI machines are directly related to particle accelerators? Without building the previous accelerators like the ones at CERN and FermiLab in the US there would be no MRIs.

My step father has cancer and has gone in for a PET scan. Know what the P stands for? Positron. As in...wait for it! ANTI-ELECTRON. A positron is the anti of the good ol' electron. Positive charge instead of negative. Yes, its pure anti matter. The thing you just called useless.

Wanna reconsider your thoughts on the matter (pun intended!)

EDIT: i just realised you called dark mater useless, not anti matter. But all these things are related anyway. My apologies mate. Ill leave what i wrote so it doesn't look like i'm back peddling. As i said, all these things are related anyway and research into one regularly spills into the other.

a reply to: Milah

My guess is that their concern with symmetry in nature has to do with fractals and how most everything in nature is fractal on a microscopic to macroscopic scale in some manner.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: Milah

My guess is that their concern with symmetry in nature has to do with fractals and how most everything in nature is fractal on a microscopic to macroscopic scale in some manner.

The symmetry they are looking into is part of super symmetry theory and has to do with symmetry that particles and fields (like the higgs field) have at quantum level. Symmetry of basic properties (spin, charge etc..)rather than geometry. I might be wrong and his particle symmetry might relate to the geometrical symmetries found in nature.

Maybe someone a bit better versed in particle physics can expand/correct what i said...

a reply to: Milah

Nice post milah

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Isurrender73
We will always have the poor, this is true. But do we always have to have the hungry and homeless?

Probably, yes. At least until you can change human behavior.

Yes that's correct. We have to change the behavior of a few greedy rotten bastards.

How does it get us off fossil fuels and nukes? How does it get clean drinking water to people all around the world? How is it going to improve the lives of the greatest number of people? We can do without most B.S. modern conveniences and wasting our tax dollars on stupid things. I say it's a distraction from the electric universe theory. That's where the really substantial science is found.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
How does it get us off fossil fuels and nukes? How does it get clean drinking water to people all around the world? How is it going to improve the lives of the greatest number of people? We can do without most B.S. modern conveniences and wasting our tax dollars on stupid things. I say it's a distraction from the electric universe theory. That's where the really substantial science is found.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

LOL...an EU fan. Say no more. EU theory is so silly, that i cant lower myself to get into a debate about it. Sorry mate.

And as for not seeing the benefit that computers have given to the world...the number of lives saved from them...i have nothing to say to that other than sorry you are so blind.

All those things are distractions, yet here you are posting on ATS?

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Milah

Sounds like ego slipping out to me.

Maybe after their done with this experiment they can work on discovering a sustainable global food supply. Billions are spent on unnecessary science while many humans continue to live without the basics. We are so worried about finding our how things began that we completely ignore humanity.

Is finding dark matter going to feed the homeless?
Will it build homes for the homeless?
Will it provide free sustainable energy?
What benefit is there for mankind in this experiment outside of science itself?

We spend so much time and money on things that we think are important. Yet we ignore those things wich are truly important.

If it's one step closer for the survival of our species as a whole for generations to come then yes it is important and I'm all for it.
This might sound a little cringey but the people who are starving today won't really matter if we can't find a way to get off this planet, it's a perfect example of its to lat until it happens. Current affairs are important don't get me wrong, but if that's all we concentrate on then we are doomed as a species. It would be a waste of our intelligence.

We have food supplies that can feed billions but sadly we don't have the land, funding, etc.

originally posted by: bottleslingguy

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Isurrender73
We will always have the poor, this is true. But do we always have to have the hungry and homeless?

Probably, yes. At least until you can change human behavior.

Yes that's correct. We have to change the behavior of a few greedy rotten bastards.

incorrect. the existance of the poor and the hungry are not just down to a few evil bastards. the existance of the poor in america isn't down to that. in america more than most other places every individual is not only the captain of thier own soul they are also the captain of thier own lives. excepting a few who are truly helpless, due to lack of even typical human mental and physical capabilities and who truly need a guardian as a result; we all have the ability to change our circumstances. the vast majority of our poor are poor because it never occurs to them to go elsewhere than where they are or do anything that would improve thier circumstances. its partly thier own fault and partly that of a system that does not show them how to do it and in fact discourages them from doing so.

It is even impolitic to say so. you're compassion and humanity will be questioned if you speak the truth. In america a homeless illiterate street bum can have an idea that pulls them out of poverty. it has happened. it occurs to them that there is an opportunity to make a profit on their fellows laziness. they start a business buying their fellows cans and bottles at the local recycle plant price and taking them to the main recycle center across town which buys at a higher price. Said bum now has a 70K a year job and has vehicles when he started with a child's wagon. No long a bum, no longer poor, he even employs other people and keeps them out of poverty himself.

there is something everyone can do to stop being a slave of fate and start being a master of it. there is a solution other than destruction for everyone born in the ghetto or the Appalachians. it isn't down to earning a degree. but it is about education. to do one of these things it has to first occur to you that you can. without that you never will. we have failed our poor not from greed or indifference or malice but by actively manipulating them to hate those that are doing better than themselves. politicians and other rabble rousers make a living at it. out of keeping people from knowing they are fully capable of taking care of themselves in every way. not only that but civil law and all sorts of regulations and nonsense perform the function of making it harder than it should be to do something to help yourself.

there will always be poor with us and that is even without stacking the deck against self extraction from poverty. but we the people and we the government more or less obstruct those brave souls that see a way out in every way possible.

at school most instruction is about how bad the successful are. its more or less straight up socialist or communist propaganda. do they teach the basics of handling money? do they teach about people who start a business? (other than worshipping some of the improbably successful like Gates or Jobs) Probably not. Why not teach everyone the example of that street bum with the recycling business? Why is it that kids who start a lemonade stand make the news for being fined and shut down by local government tyrants? Where is the story of the kids getting the key to the city for being virtuous?

yes. VIRTUOUS !!! we are not even programmed to think of it that way anymore. instead we resent them. we resent industry. we resent the achiever. we have been trained to loathe the ambitious. and most of us do not even know how to better ourselves. we are cattle. we are just the way our masters would have us. so they can "take care of us" in perpetuity.

Everyone screaming a waste of Money, yet the Military expenditures outweigh anything we spend on Good Science.
Give me a break

originally posted by: EarthCitizen23
Everyone screaming a waste of Money, yet the Military expenditures outweigh anything we spend on Good Science.
Give me a break

the primary purpose of government on the federal level is protect the citizens from foreign and domestic enemies.

so on the contrary why is entitlements the largest expenditure of the federal budget especially given the fact that those who are wards of the state by various entitlements are prone to stay impoverished? why is the goal of the foodstamp program to get more people to enroll? why do thier technocrats and functionaries get awards and recognition for breaking the legendary mountain pride of the poor in appalachia and getting them hooked on government programs?