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Iraq was th eonly one we established.
The past dont apply to now though and the Europeans are in no shape to take in a bunch of ungrateful people who when given the chance will stab you in the eback.
WHy dont they do like the japanese did and rebuild their country themselves?
Oh my oh my, just more childlike one liners refusing to offer any reasoned or rational debate.
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: grainofsand well when I'm debating knee jerk reactionaries I tend to go for the head first then the heart. Maybe I should do it the other way around
What do you want then? The UK to sign up to Schengen, or the rest of the world agreeing that asylum applications can be taken from people who have made it to a 3rd party safe nation but are wishing to choose the particular safe country they wish to claim it in?
Come on, what exactly do you want to happen? It has to be enshrined in agreements and legislation ultimately, so what's your plan?
I worked many years in central government and signed many decisions on behalf of secretaries of state. Emotions are not taking into any of it, just facts, budgets, potential outcomes.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: grainofsand
I disagree. If you do anything toward a group of put upon individuals, whether positive or negative, and you discount emotions from your thinking, you WILL fail to create a functional solution. That is inevitable.
That said, your multi state solution seems to have legs, and I would love to see it taken up by someone with the clout to get it put through.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: yuppa
OH MY GOD!
There are no native people, it is a total fabrication that any such thing ever lived on these isles, because all the people here, have origins in other lands, from other genetic stock, BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME HERE FROM ELSEWHERE AND SETTLED MILLENNIA AGO!
You cannot hope to discuss these things properly if you are going to use terminology so outmoded and anthropologically irrelevant as "native" to describe the current population of these isles! This nation has been conquered, and inhabited by so many tribes of man over the millennia, that to call any of us native is like trying to suggest that George Bush is a Native American. What utter and total rot! What next? What shallow justification can you possibly come up with next for greed and casual hate by exclusion of your fellow man I wonder?
originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: crostkev
The very high-minded and objective view is that we here on this planet are all one and must, therefore, take care of our own.
That is arguable to many degrees, but that high-minded and objective view is the correct view. It comes not from an earthling but from a dispassionate onlooker. The bottom line is that we, like it or not especially when we think ourselves superior to our poorer fellows, are still responsible for/to them. The solution is simple and is being implemented. It is the total, centralized control of people.
...Not what you wanted to hear and I didn't want to write it, but that is the situation.
originally posted by: MaxMech
Europe is done mate. Better start learning Arabic or leave.
They will tell you it's your fault.
Despite the fact that the immigrants are trying to escape from other Muslims, not western armies.
They will tell you that protesting against Islamic extremism and violence is an act of an Islamophobic Nazi.
While calling this free speech -
Don't listen to them. Do what you feel like is best for you, your family and your friends.