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WTC-7 Mysteries FINALLY Solved.

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posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 08:19 AM
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See consensus911.org... for the recent details about those seats I have posted in my other recent threads.


The 9/11 Consensus Panel ( consensus911.org... ) : 24 expert members of the international three-year-old 9/11 Consensus Panel have developed 44 Consensus Points of “best evidence” opposing the official account of 9/11. The Panel respondents remain blind to one another throughout a rigorous reviewing process. Included in their studies are the surprising activities of the military and political leaders that day. The consensus process has yielded an unprecedented degree of credibility for specific points of evidence relating to 9/11.

The 44 Consensus Points are divided into ten categories , which in turn link to the individual 44 points. These are the 7 points regarding WTC-7 in category C :

C. Consensus Points about the Collapse of World Trade Center 7

Point WTC7-1: The Claim that WTC 7 Collapsed from Fire Alone
www.consensus911.org...

Point WTC7-2: The Claim in NIST’s Draft Report that WTC 7 Did Not Come Down at Free Fall Acceleration
www.consensus911.org...

Point WTC7-3: The Claim in NIST’s Final Report that WTC 7 Came Down in Free Fall Without Explosives
www.consensus911.org...

Point WTC7-4: Did the Official Simulation of the Fall of WTC7 Match the Observed Collapse?
www.consensus911.org...

Point WTC7-5: World Trade Center Building 7: NIST’s Analysis of the Collapse Initiation Is Not Valid
www.consensus911.org...

Point WTC7-6: The Fraudulent NIST Claim That There Was No Steel Recovered from Building WTC7 for Analysis
www.consensus911.org...

Point WTC7-7: Foreknowledge of the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7
www.consensus911.org...



Then we have this important seismic article :
Why Did the Twin Towers Collapse? The Seismic Evidence
www.consensus911.org...


Wave Frequencies: The frequencies of waves caused by plane impacts, reported Rousseau, are typically much greater – one to two orders of magnitude higher – than the frequencies of the waves that were, according to LDEO, caused by the plane impacts into WTC 1 and 2. That is, the frequencies of waves typically caused by plane impacts range from (roughly) 10 to 100 Hertz (Hz), whereas the waves that were said by LDEO to be caused by the plane strikes are on the order of only 1Hz. The idea that the seismic waves in question were caused by plane impacts was, therefore, highly unlikely. Furthermore, the recording equipment at Palisades had a range of only 0.6-5Hz, so it was incapable of recording waves generated by typical plane impacts. [15]

Ref.[8] André Rousseau, “Were Explosives the Source of the Seismic Signals Emitted from New York on September 11, 2001?” Journal of 9/11 Studies, vol. 34, November 2012. This peer-reviewed published article has not been challenged in the scientific literature.

Conclusion
The discrepancies described above indicate that the LDEO conclusions about the nature of the events that generated the signals recorded at Palisades cannot be correct. Most strikingly, the ground radar data, which is very precise, showed WTC 1 to have been struck 15 seconds later than the Palisades-recorded seismic activity, which LDEO scientists attributed to an airplane impact. The radar also shows WTC 2 to have been struck later than the seismic activity attributed to it. The seismic activity, therefore, must have been produced by something other than the crashes of the airliners into the two buildings.

Rousseau, like Furlong and Ross, provided reasons to conclude that the signals that the official story attributed to airplane impacts had actually been caused by something else – which, as evidence documented in Point TT-8 suggests, was shocks, explosive in nature, that had occurred at the bases of the buildings. Rousseau further demonstrated that the wave details themselves were characteristic of such explosions, not of plane impacts or building collapses.


Note that seismogram timing is recorded also with the aid of atomic clocks, just as radar data.
That's why the error margin of +/- 1 - 2 secs introduced by Dr Won Young Kim from LDEO is quite puzzling. Normally they are one to two orders of magnitude smaller.
When you study other seismograms, this becomes glaringly obvious.




posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 08:25 AM
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New 911 Truth Video Can Not Be Debunked.



Listen to this 14:55 minutes long video, pay attention to the explosion sound.
Start listening at 2:06, and listen and read what those guys said after they were hearing that explosion at 2:08 : ""Did you hear that? Keep your eye on that building. It'll be coming down soon."" Then a policeman (?) says ""The building is about to blow up. Move it back."" Then one of those guys say ""We are walking back. The building is about to blow up."".



At 2:30 you hear the deep explosion sound from WTC-7, filmed from West Street
That's WTC-7.

I am still amazed by the presence of these guys, clearly coming from inside the perimeter fenced off around WTC-7, while Captain Nigro around 14:30 p.m. had ordered the removal of all people from the 4 blocks area around WTC-7, it took 3 hrs to be sure that all people were gone. So who certified these guys to be inside that fenced off area, so late? Just before collapse at 17:20 p.m.
And Kevin McPadden who stood at that perimeter fence and heard from a man with an intercom the count down to zero, and then WTC-7 went down.
And (former) Police officer Barrett, how could he be so near to WTC-7, that he told us to see an umbrella of debris and dust spitting out from the lowest floor of WTC-7, since he said it happened just 10 feet above his head, and then they ran away. Thus, even more people were still freely running around WTC-7 when it started to collapse. And Kevin said he knows explosions when he hears them.

WTC-7 had 18 exterior vertical columns and 24 core vertical columns.

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posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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Watch at You Tube in full screen :
9/11 Debunked: World Trade Center - No Free Fall.



This video shows at 0:58 / 2:57 the camera man starting to run away while still filming backwards the proceeding collapse of the South Tower, with that huge chunk of exterior panels impacting near the base of that tower. And half of that tower still standing. I was the first to draw attention to the implication of those pictures, that the total collapse time was thus much longer than the +/- 8 secs real free fall acceleration calculation for that tower.
And of course all debunkers jumped on it and took it over without ever mentioning that a in fact a Truther, Doubter, Skeptic, 9/11 History Researcher, pick your words, found it out and came out with it. You can find my initial post by an ATS Search in the years 2005, 2006.
Perfect example is that above video.

Now on to something FAR more interesting in that same video.
You can clearly hear the explosions during the collapses, in the South Tower, then in the North Tower.
Start to listen at 1:29 / 2:57 for the South Tower.
And at 2:00 for the North Tower.

If that would have been pancaking floors, you would have heard a far faster staccato of sounds, floors were FAILING and FALLING at a pace of about 8 floors PER SECOND.!
What you hear in both collapses here, are not failing floors.!

Try it out, try to say 8 times BoomBoomBoomBoomBoomBoomBoomBoom
IN ONE SECOND. It's possible.
Or better, tick 8 times on your IPhone stopwatch while you see the run-up to ONE second.
Now do that several times, and remember the PACE, the cadence.

Now listen again to both collapse sounds, especially the one starting new at 2:05 for the North Tower, until at 2:13 the cipher 9.22 is shown in the screen for real free fall duration, those BOOOMs in those EIGHT SECONDS are very clear and coming in a SLOWER PACE.



posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: LaBTop

As you can plainly saw in the video, none of the WTC buildings collapsed at free fall speed, a fact underlined in these photos.

No Free Fall Collapse Photo 1

No Free Fall Collapse Photo 2

Common sense logic says that since dust plumes and debris, which are falling at free fall speed and reaching the ground while the collapse is still in progress many stories above, that the building is not collapsing at free fall speed. Goes to show just how gullible Truthes are to disinformation that is spewing from those conspiracy websites.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Steven Jones and Richard Gage were caught lying about molten steel and thermite, nano-thermite, and Loose Change and Alex Jones were caught spewing disinformation and I have caught "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" spewing disinformation as well.

Just a few examples why the Truth Movement is a joke.

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posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: LaBTop

Question for you: If you had done your homework, you would have found that the specifics in your video were debunked years ago. You've go to learn how to do some real homework.

Ever wondered why after 14 years, no one has proven the case for thermite, explosives or free fall?


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posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: LaBTop



How on earth can we then not see any sign of exterior panel INWARDS buckling-movement during those long 6 seconds? As on the Twin Towers perimeters was recorded.


Footage that kills the conspiracy theories: Unseen 9/11 footage shows WTC Building 7 consumed by fire

Buckling: The windows in the upper right corner show how the building's exterior frame could no longer withstand the high temperatures

i.dailymail.co.uk...
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posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: LaBTop



How on earth can we then not see any sign of exterior panel INWARDS buckling-movement during those long 6 seconds? As on the Twin Towers perimeters was recorded.


Footage that kills the conspiracy theories: Unseen 9/11 footage shows WTC Building 7 consumed by fire

Buckling: The windows in the upper right corner show how the building's exterior frame could no longer withstand the high temperatures

i.dailymail.co.uk...


If buildings could collapse uniformly into their own footprint without the use of anything other than setting fire to it... then why pray tell are there expert demolition companies?

Surely all we need to do is to burn down all the buildings we no longer need, simply set a fire and wait for them to neatly collapse perfectly into it's own footprint. nice a neat...


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posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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If buildings could collapse uniformly into their own footprint without the use of anything other than setting fire to it... then why pray tell are there expert demolition companies?

Surely all we need to do is to burn down all the buildings we no longer need, simply set a fire and wait for them to neatly collapse perfectly into it's own footprint. nice a neat...


The Verinage demolition method does not use explosives.



Cables can be used as well. Look how they pulled down WTC 6 with cables.



Even an earthquake dropped a 21-story steel frame building.

Photo: 21-Story Steel Frame Building Collapse in Earthquake.


Total collapse of 21-story steel frame office building.


www.johnmartin.com...



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posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity



If buildings could collapse uniformly into their own footprint without the use of anything other than setting fire to it... then why pray tell are there expert demolition companies?

Surely all we need to do is to burn down all the buildings we no longer need, simply set a fire and wait for them to neatly collapse perfectly into it's own footprint. nice a neat...


The Verinage demolition method does not use explosives.



Cables can be used as well. Look how they pulled down WTC 6 with cables.



Even an earthquake dropped a 21-story steel frame building.

Photo: 21-Story Steel Frame Building Collapse in Earthquake.


Total collapse of 21-story steel frame office building.


www.johnmartin.com...




Except WT7 did not collapse according to you as a result demolition it was simply natural fires..... not cables....
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posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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Except WT7 did not collapse according to you as a result demolition it was simply natural fires..... not cables....


When a steel frame building doesn't fully collapse, you pull whats left with cables.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:10 AM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity



Except WT7 did not collapse according to you as a result demolition it was simply natural fires..... not cables....


When a steel frame building doesn't fully collapse, you pull whats left with cables.


But WT7 did fully collapse..... as in no steel frame left standing.... as a result of nothing more than office fires... according to you... which somehow weakened all core steel columns in perfect sequence to cause a collapse that is indistinguishable from free fall... ans into it's own footprint....



Notice how the building right next to WT7 is completely intact...Windows not shattered.... yet it was meters away from the WT7 collapse.... The collapse was completely straight down... Absolutely.... As a result of office fires....

I don't think so.
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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 07:47 AM
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That is an interesting point that I had never considered before, thanks for pointing it out.

If 7 was brought down as 'collateral damage' as some claim, how could a building so close to it NOT be effected?

The whole story of 911 is a magnificent lie.




posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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Not to mention one piece of proof that can stand cross examination.


Show me how to pulverize a 4 inch thick block of concrete- coupled with a piece of floorpan...in a distance of 15 feet of free-fall.

northridge?

neither the road below or the road that fell onto it got completely pulverized, why not?
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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: Korg Trinity

Take another look.

WTC 7 Rubble

Please point out the time lines where explosives are heard as WTC 7 collapsed.




posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Take another look.

WTC 7 Rubble

Please point out the time lines where explosives are heard as WTC 7 collapsed.





If anyone watching that video doesn't think Controlled Demolition... they have a serious mental deficiency.....

Please show me a video or article or anything anywhere of another building doing that as a result of fire!!
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posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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But, can you go ahead and point out the alleged demolition explosions in that video?
I'm only saying alleged because I absolutely refuse to take sides on the 9/11 conspiracy theories. I'm not using the term to say you are incorrect, or that skyeagle409 is correct.
I just like to see the most thorough presentation of each person's evidence.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: Korg Trinity

But, can you go ahead and point out the alleged demolition explosions in that video?
I'm only saying alleged because I absolutely refuse to take sides on the 9/11 conspiracy theories. I'm not using the term to say you are incorrect, or that skyeagle409 is correct.
I just like to see the most thorough presentation of each person's evidence.


To do so is nothing more than a debating trap as it is not possible to do as is asked. for if it were so easy as all that, then we would have seen some high profile arrests a long time ago...

just because you can't put your finger on the reason something happened, doesn't negate the happening.

Which is what my point was earlier... Compound Negative potentials clearly point away from the OS and when multiple happenings all point in the same direction, no matter how small each point may be... they will point you to the truth.


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posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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Ok, fair enough.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 11:30 AM
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If anyone watching that video doesn't think Controlled Demolition... they have a serious mental deficiency.....


Once again, please point out the time lines where explosions are heard and understand that demolition explosions make a lot of noise.



What you hear during the explosive demolition of these buildings is not what you heard as WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7 collapsed. This is what explosive demolitions sound like.







Please show me a video or article or anything anywhere of another building doing that as a result of fire!!


Let's go here.



Three (3) Steel Frame Buildings Collapse Due to Fire in Thailand

The building was reinforced with un-insulated steel girders which quickly weakened and collapsed. This part of the building was dedicated to the storage of finished products and the fire spread quickly. Other parts of the factory were full of raw materials which also burnt very fast... Fire-fighters arrived at the factory at about 4:40pm, to find Building One about to collapse.

The Kader buildings,...collapsed relatively early in the fire because their structural steel supports lacked the fireproofing that would have allowed them to maintain their strength when exposed to high temperatures.

A post-fire review of the debris at the Kader site showed no indication that any of the steel members had been fireproofed.

en.wikipedia.org...


Fire from Aircraft Accident Results in Collapse of Steel Frame Hangar

A twin-engine Cessna Citation 525A plane that took off from Hailey, Idaho, went off the right side of the runway on landing, struck a hangar and burst into flames at 6:20 p.m., Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said.

Upon collision, the hangar walls wrapped around the plane's fuselage and steel trusses collapsed on top of the aircraft, making it impossible to gain access to the cabin, National Transportation Safety Board investigator Van Kenny said during a news conference today.

The hangar collapsed and was too unstable for firefighters to enter, said Captain John Nevandro of the Santa Monica Fire

www.cnn.com...

abcnews.go.com...


Now, you have been made aware that 3 steel fram buildings, other than the WTC buildings, have collapsed due to fire alone, and those buildings in Thailand did not even suffer impact damage.
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posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Korg Trinity


Once again, please point out the time lines where explosions are heard and understand that demolition explosions make a lot of noise.


And once again your more than obvious attempt at baiting me has failed... I'm not going to point out something that is clearly not present within those videos. In addition do you honestly think that the perpetrators did not try and disguise the facts or hide the evidence... the fact that they have been and you have been running us all around in circles so successfully if proof enough.

I won't play that game...

It is fairly common place among anti-truthers whether they be professional debunkers or not to attempt to discredit or make the person posing opposing views spear stupid.

Although I agree there are many very stupid people claiming crazy theories as to what happened... it is fortunate that among us are thousands of highly intelligent professionals.





Now, you have been made aware that 3 steel frame buildings, other than the WTC buildings, have collapsed due to fire alone, and those buildings in Thailand did not even suffer impact damage.


Let's have a closer look at these other buildings you claim as proof of other events like wt7....



Please take the time to watch....



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