Republicans can’t stop comparing food stamp recipients to wild animals on Facebook

I would like to talk about underemployment too due to the lack of jobs. I'll use the company I work for as an example.

In 2007-2008 my company almost doubled in employees. We are a very successful company even today, but the long recession took a big hit on us too. By 2009 our hiring dropped of to a trickle and in the area where I work of about 100 people (70k plus average pay) we were hiring about 15 to 20 per year. Since 2009 until a few months ago we hired ZERO! as we ended up needing to reduce our workforce though natural attrition.

This is a story of a very successful company, now if we take this one step further of a company that got hit really hard and laid off 1/2 of their professionals there has been nowhere for them to go but to the minimum wage/close to minimum wage work group. HP closed its doors near me and that put 100s of engineers on the street, the lucky ones got temp jobs for 1 to 2 years that paid 60c on the dollar of their worth, the rest head cashier at Burger King. The engineer that got the Burger King job just took that job from a person who skill sets are only good enough to have that job so the trickle down effect hits everyone.

This is where we are at today and we should thank our President for taking almost 7 years to get out of a recession that the last 3 Presidents that walked into their own recessions were out of theirs within a year.

THANK YOU MISTER PRESIDENT!

a reply to: Xtrozero

many of those dropping out of the workforce are women though, who have found that after you take out childcare and other expenses well, there is more value in just living on hubby's income and staying home with the kids than there is working for that little bit of extra money. some of these are professional women, teachers and such. so well, the fact that people are dropping out of the workforce doesn't necessarily mean that they are getting gov't handouts. it could just as likely mean that the cost of them working has so severely overshadowed their earning that they just feel it isn't worth it anymore.
heck I dropped out of the workforce and I ain't on any gov't program, of course I have every expectation that when I run out of things around the house to sell and the money I get from it I am gonna end up living in a tent up on some mountain and fishing for a living. but, well I won't be getting any assistance from the gov't I don't think.

a reply to: NavyDoc

I liked Reagan, but darn he was nothing but an actor, he wasn't a politician he was playing the role of one, he did it so good that people actually trusted him with 8 years as a president.

originally posted by: dawnstar
heck I dropped out of the workforce and I ain't on any gov't program, of course I have every expectation that when I run out of things around the house to sell and the money I get from it I am gonna end up living in a tent up on some mountain and fishing for a living. but, well I won't be getting any assistance from the gov't I don't think.

My wife is a stay at home mom, but I can afford it. I do not think that is anywhere near the norm though. I also do not see your situation as a norm either. When given a choice of working and living a pretty good life, but one needs to work hard/smart to get ahead compared to just living in a crappy life at best without working we do have a sizable percentage that will take door number two and choose the crappy living, but not working.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: NavyDoc

I liked Reagan, but darn he was nothing but an actor, he wasn't a politician he was playing the role of one, he did it so good that people actually trusted him with 8 years as a president.

Man, kind of sucks when the actor does better than the real thing....Reagan was also a Governor for years, so at what point do you think he might had learn a little to be successful as President?

a reply to: Xtrozero

my door is a special door, painted red with pink poka dots....
it is basically for those who have worked, got hurt probably while doing their job, asked for helped from those programs and was refused, ended up having to quit, and well, now at the end of it said heck with you all, I am not going through that kind of pain every day for a wage that won't support me anyways, that well I very well may have been able to work painlessly if I had gotten some help when I asked, and that the dear gov't will probably take money out of that skimpy paycheck every week so the can help others run their kids into the doctor for every minute thing imaginable!
nope, no thanks, I would rather go out in the woods, away from humans and let god decide my fate!

a reply to: NavyDoc

The "culture of political correctness" was "created" in works by Dinesh D'Souza a well-known right-wing operative.

You're going to skip over Reagan's support of the Brady Bill eh? The one that passed Congress with bipartisan support?

Department of Housing and Urban Development? Huh? What about it?

You mean the income tax that was instituted by the Sixteenth Amendment which was ratified by 42 of the 48 States?

You mean prohibition instituted by the Eighteenth Amendment? Again, created and ratified by Democrats and Republicans?

Every example you give is either founded in Republican principles or was supported by both Democrats and Republicans. In other words, it's not one side or the other.


About the rest, you're either honestly mistaken or you're just spouting right-wing cant. Liberals were and are in favor of less governmental control overall, and certainly less unilateral actions like unnecessary war and implementation of a police state here at home.

You're not posting anything but the gross exaggerations I expect from true partisans, Doc. I'm a liberal and I am telling you that I want none of those things. No other liberals that I know want that either.

If government has a use, which we question as well, it is for the promotion of the General Welfare of the people, nothing more, nothing less.

Unlike the General Warfare approved by most conservatives, both here and abroad.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Gryphon66

America has been a socialist capitalistic country for decades, Gryphon66 and what we have gotten from that? no a darn thing.

Just a growing class division.

Uh ... what have we gotten from it? The great and powerful country that you and I both grew up in and benefited from? The world's strongest economy for decades? The government that defeated Communism?

Wait--what? I thought those were bad things? I though Reagan was selfish and evil--now you laud him for defeating Communism? We've got a "great and powerful country" I thought it was all ruined by Republithugs?

Pick and choose your battles Doc, as you're picking and choosing what to nitpick in what I said to someone else.

Also, if you're going to quote me, quote me, don't just make crap up as your rhetoric needs it.

Quote where I've ever said Reagan was evil. Quote where I've ever said the country was ruined by Republicans.

Reagan did not "defeat" Communism all on his own. Our Country did. Not even a true Republican Zealot could believe otherwise.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Gryphon66

Darn Gryphone that reads like an add from uncle sam patriotic mantra. Heck I need to get my littler American flag and wave it in the air.

You know even when I don't agree with what our nation has become I have to say that I love to be an American.

Yeah, you like it?

I've been reading a lot of what you tighty-righties generally post, so I guess some of the red-white-and-blue rubbed off.

Differences aside, here's to America. What's left of her.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

But even greater....class warfare among the poor tends to be far more dog eat dog than among the upper class.

It is funny that the poor around the world work, eat and live a generally happy life. If someone can't work the community takes care of them, if someone refuses to work, but are capable, they starve...

America was much like this in the recent past, but today big Government has taken over the responsibility and we have all become a number in statistics. We have lost our individual identity that we once had and we are just a part of a group. We have also lost our will to survive and live in a pool of apathy.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: NavyDoc

I liked Reagan, but darn he was nothing but an actor, he wasn't a politician he was playing the role of one, he did it so good that people actually trusted him with 8 years as a president.

Yeah he even got away with giving weapons to IRAN and nobody talks about that...that never even comes up. How did he act his way through that? And this was after the embassy hostage situation that killed Carter's presidency. And Reagan gives them weapons...a beloved Republican?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I'm not sure it really is more dog eat dog for the poor. Rich people murder their own spouses over money- some of the poor don't even believe in calling the cops on one another. And it's not the poor advocating "let them fight to death" as an economic policy.

On the contrary I see well off conservatives as predators and the poor as scavengers who are fairly unlikely to ever be my main problem. Of course the average Republican voter will be the main victim if the policies their elite pitched them.

It's the family in the low six figures with a mortgage underwater that's gonna end up moving down a neighborhood with nice stuff and attract scavengers- the poor have less to take and the rich are safe, but those who the rich chew up and spit out begin a long passage down the food chain.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well...I can't stand Obama either. But if we are being honest....he was elected to steer a turd. Our economy was circling the drain. Bush left the nation in a pretty good mess. And Obama really only continued the steps put in place by Bush (QE and bailouts). Because at the end of the day, being in the POTUS chair really means cowing to conventional wisdom, or risk having your party ostracize you.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Recent past?

You mean, more than 50 years ago?

????

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Gryphon66

America has been a socialist capitalistic country for decades, Gryphon66 and what we have gotten from that? no a darn thing.

Just a growing class division.

Uh ... what have we gotten from it? The great and powerful country that you and I both grew up in and benefited from? The world's strongest economy for decades? The government that defeated Communism?

Wait--what? I thought those were bad things? I though Reagan was selfish and evil--now you laud him for defeating Communism? We've got a "great and powerful country" I thought it was all ruined by Republithugs?

Pick and choose your battles Doc, as you're picking and choosing what to nitpick in what I said to someone else.

Also, if you're going to quote me, quote me, don't just make crap up as your rhetoric needs it.

Quote where I've ever said Reagan was evil. Quote where I've ever said the country was ruined by Republicans.

Reagan did not "defeat" Communism all on his own. Our Country did. Not even a true Republican Zealot could believe otherwise.

Right. Which means that those evil Republicans had a hand in it.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Gryphon66

America has been a socialist capitalistic country for decades, Gryphon66 and what we have gotten from that? no a darn thing.

Just a growing class division.

Uh ... what have we gotten from it? The great and powerful country that you and I both grew up in and benefited from? The world's strongest economy for decades? The government that defeated Communism?

Wait--what? I thought those were bad things? I though Reagan was selfish and evil--now you laud him for defeating Communism? We've got a "great and powerful country" I thought it was all ruined by Republithugs?

Pick and choose your battles Doc, as you're picking and choosing what to nitpick in what I said to someone else.

Also, if you're going to quote me, quote me, don't just make crap up as your rhetoric needs it.

Quote where I've ever said Reagan was evil. Quote where I've ever said the country was ruined by Republicans.

Reagan did not "defeat" Communism all on his own. Our Country did. Not even a true Republican Zealot could believe otherwise.

Right. Which means that those evil Republicans had a hand in it.

You're merely sniping now Doc. Best.

originally posted by: dawnstar
I am not going through that kind of pain every day for a wage that won't support me anyways, that well I very well may have been able to work painlessly if I had gotten some help when I asked, and that the dear gov't will probably take money out of that skimpy paycheck every week so the can help others run their kids into the doctor for every minute thing imaginable!
nope, no thanks, I would rather go out in the woods, away from humans and let god decide my fate!

For everyone of you there are 1000s that are fully capable but just do not work and play the system. I have a sister like that, she is 57 and has not worked since the 80s, but she is a genius at understanding what she can get from the Government, might as well call her an expert in subsistence living. People like you have no clue where to go what to do so you get dumped out of the system, one in which my sister not only survives but thrives to a point..

a reply to: Gryphon66

You don't know me that well Gryphone66, I do not side with party lines, I'm a career dissenter, I distrusts government completely, I will find the dirty laundry on every politicians running for anything,

I call politicians in America recycle trash, because they seem to come up and roam around very elections until the day they died.

BTW I did voted for Regan at least the first time. I also liked Clinton, voted for him on the first round too, voter for Bush Jr, first term and so for Obama also first term. But like everything for me once is enough.

So call me flip floater, but I like dissenter better. And also I really never understood the American righty, lefty thing in my views is nothing but silly wording

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Xtrozero

Recent past?

You mean, more than 50 years ago?

????

About the 90s is when people started to change...

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Gryphon66

America has been a socialist capitalistic country for decades, Gryphon66 and what we have gotten from that? no a darn thing.

Just a growing class division.

Uh ... what have we gotten from it? The great and powerful country that you and I both grew up in and benefited from? The world's strongest economy for decades? The government that defeated Communism?

Wait--what? I thought those were bad things? I though Reagan was selfish and evil--now you laud him for defeating Communism? We've got a "great and powerful country" I thought it was all ruined by Republithugs?

Pick and choose your battles Doc, as you're picking and choosing what to nitpick in what I said to someone else.

Also, if you're going to quote me, quote me, don't just make crap up as your rhetoric needs it.

Quote where I've ever said Reagan was evil. Quote where I've ever said the country was ruined by Republicans.

Reagan did not "defeat" Communism all on his own. Our Country did. Not even a true Republican Zealot could believe otherwise.

Right. Which means that those evil Republicans had a hand in it.

You're merely sniping now Doc. Best.

You say you are for less government control, but are you really?

Should the government tell someone, say a baker, who they can and cannot do business with?
Should the government tell me how to practice medicine?
Should the government divert water out to sea from taxpaying farmers to protect smelt?
Should the government control the sale of firearms? Of marijuana?

I see a lot of people claim that they are for less governmental intrusion until one lists all of the governmental intrusion they think is necessary.

I'm going to make some lumpia now. Don't try to redistribute my lumpia.