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Republicans can’t stop comparing food stamp recipients to wild animals on Facebook

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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: amazing

I know a lot about Reagan, (may rest in peace), he did have a way with words and people even when he wasn't very nice to women unless it was his wife, the truth force behind the presidential seat.

Did I mention that I met two of the Marines survivors from the embassy attack? yes in PR when I was dating my husbandhe was station at Roosevelt Roads in the late 70s.




posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: The Vagabond
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I'm not sure it really is more dog eat dog for the poor. Rich people murder their own spouses over money- some of the poor don't even believe in calling the cops on one another. And it's not the poor advocating "let them fight to death" as an economic policy.


The poor feed off each other, scam each other, rob and kill each other for paltry pittance. For the rich, they are alike, but it is basically a game for them though and we are talking a much small number of people too.


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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

Well...I can't stand Obama either. But if we are being honest....he was elected to steer a turd. Our economy was circling the drain. Bush left the nation in a pretty good mess. And Obama really only continued the steps put in place by Bush (QE and bailouts). Because at the end of the day, being in the POTUS chair really means cowing to conventional wisdom, or risk having your party ostracize you.


It is hard to suggest he was handed a turd bigger than Reagan's and Reagan got out of his within 1 1/2 years...

Starting with the 1 trillion dollar failure to kick start the economy is just the tip of his failures. Obama was throwing 10s of billions around like they were 10 dollar bills.



POTUS chair really means cowing to conventional wisdom


Very true, but the success or failure is who a president surrounds himself with.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: The Vagabond

The poor tend to be easily distracted. And they are given cheap access to distractions.

Divide and conquer.

While there are wealthy people here, wealthy people don't tend to avail themselves of internet forums and facebook. I know quite a few rich folks....and that just isn't their world. And if it is, its a publicist handling it for them (or some other third party).

RE: not calling the cops...this is a distinction I think about a lot. Like i said: i know a lot of rich folks. Im not even close to wealthy myself. But if i were....coming from being in the "poor" class of people kind of sticks with you. I don't think I'd ever be the kind of guy who calls the cops (outside of business/fiduciary duty).



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Gryphon66

America has been a socialist capitalistic country for decades, Gryphon66 and what we have gotten from that? no a darn thing.

Just a growing class division.



Uh ... what have we gotten from it? The great and powerful country that you and I both grew up in and benefited from? The world's strongest economy for decades? The government that defeated Communism?



Wait--what? I thought those were bad things? I though Reagan was selfish and evil--now you laud him for defeating Communism? We've got a "great and powerful country" I thought it was all ruined by Republithugs?


Pick and choose your battles Doc, as you're picking and choosing what to nitpick in what I said to someone else.

Also, if you're going to quote me, quote me, don't just make crap up as your rhetoric needs it.

Quote where I've ever said Reagan was evil. Quote where I've ever said the country was ruined by Republicans.

Reagan did not "defeat" Communism all on his own. Our Country did. Not even a true Republican Zealot could believe otherwise.


Right. Which means that those evil Republicans had a hand in it.


You're merely sniping now Doc. Best.


You say you are for less government control, but are you really?

Should the government tell someone, say a baker, who they can and cannot do business with?
Should the government tell me how to practice medicine?
Should the government divert water out to sea from taxpaying farmers to protect smelt?
Should the government control the sale of firearms? Of marijuana?

I see a lot of people claim that they are for less governmental intrusion until one lists all of the governmental intrusion they think is necessary.

I'm going to make some lumpia now. Don't try to redistribute my lumpia.


Nope, again with the misquotes. Here's what I said that you seem to be referring to:


originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: NavyDoc

Liberals were and are in favor of less governmental control overall, and certainly less unilateral actions like unnecessary war and implementation of a police state here at home.

If government has a use, which we question as well, it is for the promotion of the General Welfare of the people, nothing more, nothing less.


So, not just "less government" which is nothing more than an empty palliative and/or pablum ... but "less government control overall" with the "use of government for the promotion of the General Welfare of the people, nothing more and nothing less."

Among the only just functions of government are to keep the majority from taking away the rights of the minority (or trampling on those rights, as in most discrimination), to keep the stronger elements of society from unjustly dominating the weaker elements, (both of these can be summarized as insuring equity before the laws) and finally to provide the infrastructure that allows for a productive society.

In an ideal world, that's it.

The reason why there are "so many rules" (and there are too many in almost any situation, I would grant) is that there are people and entities that simply cannot get along together and work together (as indicated in libertarian ideals which historically is closer to liberalism than conservatism) that want to unjustly dominate others or that only want to "play nice" when it benefits them.

Now, my personal take on things is mostly irrelevant to this thread, but, with that information, you can answer any of your "gotcha" questions you wish to.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero


It is hard to suggest he was handed a turd bigger than Reagan's and Reagan got out of his within 1 1/2 years...


The actual figures disagree with you, but, let's not quibble over facts ...

... except maybe this one, Reagan also initiated the current national debt, which was added to in the Bush II Administration liberally because ... wait for it ... "deficits don't matter."

How do you square those facts?



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

Actually, I don't know you well, as you don't know me, etc.

I have been reading what you write on this site for a while though.

You may not "side with party lines" but in general, most of what I see you posting is a rehash of standard right-wing talking points.

Although I will admit that it is a chicken/egg problem, there is a right and a left (and of course, therefore a middle) in this country and they do not stand for the same things, at least philosophically. And the "gap" is only becoming greater.

And there is no compromise.

Most politicians are concerned with two things; consolidating their power and getting re-elected.



posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 02:21 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
let's not quibble over facts ...


Let's not...

One thing I can tell you on a personal level is I flourished under Reagan and Bush II, and did poorly under Clinton and Obama. Now you may try and tell me that was only because they spent their eight years trying to fix the Republicans, but I don't buy it. Obama has been a failure on many levels and you can blame it all on Bush if you like, doesn't change the facts for me.



posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 03:41 AM
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There's a minority on welfare that just flat out abuses the system. Then there are others that actually need it. I was at Little Caesars pizza yesterday and some dumb ass had a $20 order and was trying to pay for it with food stamps. When they said they didn't except them she pulled a wad of cash out of her bra. I wanted to punch her in the face for abusing the system. Because there are others that actually need it to survive and aren't getting the help they need. I'm one of them I'm disabled and had my food stamps cut off.

My state cut off 150,000 people if they don't have a gas bill in their name. It's called the heat and eat program. Gas is included in my rent so they cut off my food stamps. I pay $450 a month in rent $200 for food and the rest goes on medical expenses and travel costs to my doctors. When I had food stamps I had some extra money in my pocket. Now I'm broke every month. My food stamps were cut off 6 months ago. This act to cut people off was part of the farm bill signed last Sept. by Obama. It cut funding on the federal level. It effected 16 states all but 4 of the states decided to pick up the food stamp funding on the state level. 4 state governors decided to cut people off instead of paying for food stamps. Many elderly and disabled were cut off.

I've thought about moving to a different state so I can get assistance but my condition is serious and I need family members in case something were to happen.


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posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 04:51 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Thanks for the personal anecdote.

I can't say what happened to you personally, of course, in the history of your life.

Maybe you were depressed by a Democrat in the White House?

What I can say about both the Clinton and Obama Administrations, is that the economy improved during those years after falling off during the preceding Republican Administrations ... /shrug

You just want to ignore the fact that Reagan initiated the modern deficit?

You just want to ignore the fact that the Bush Administration thought that was fine, and that "deficits don't matter"?

Haven't I seen you railing about how dangerous these deficits are to the American Economy?

Hmmm ...
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posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: wantsome

I'm very sorry that people like you have been caught in the teeth of the current American political machine.

It's a mindless mantra among the Republicans in this country that folks like you that need the social safety net are all just "lazy moochers." I'm sorry for that too, and I fight against that stupidity, here, in daily life and at the voting booth.

As far as the person you saw at the pizza place, are you saying that you didn't use cash sometimes alongside of food stamps?

How do you know she was "abusing the system"? A wad of cash could be all ones.

Best of luck ... sometimes there are also local charities that can help out with foodstuffs as well.
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posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 06:04 AM
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originally posted by: wantsome
There's a minority on welfare that just flat out abuses the system. Then there are others that actually need it. I was at Little Caesars pizza yesterday and some dumb ass had a $20 order and was trying to pay for it with food stamps. When they said they didn't except them she pulled a wad of cash out of her bra. I wanted to punch her in the face for abusing the system.


Freeze frame right there. Keep what you just said in mind for a second....


Because there are others that actually need it to survive and aren't getting the help they need. I'm one of them I'm disabled and had my food stamps cut off.




Do you see the problem with this?


The one thing that typically helps me in life: i don't look at how much food my neighbor has on their plate. And that is at the root of this entire welfare discussion, and why people in disability end up losing their benefits.



posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: wantsome

gee, I wonder if those bright intelligent lawmakers took into account that if one has their utilities included in their rent, their rent is usually quite higher? So they really don't have any savings from chosing to have their untilities included to shift over to food expense, matter of fact, they might have less. But well, it's the kind of stupidity that I would expect to find coming from our elected officials...

did they give any justitfication for this, I would love to hear their reasoning.



posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: wantsome

I'm very sorry that people like you have been caught in the teeth of the current American political machine.

It's a mindless mantra among the Republicans in this country that folks like you that need the social safety net are all just "lazy moochers." I'm sorry for that too, and I fight against that stupidity, here, in daily life and at the voting booth.

As far as the person you saw at the pizza place, are you saying that you didn't use cash sometimes alongside of food stamps?

How do you know she was "abusing the system"? A wad of cash could be all ones.

Best of luck ... sometimes there are also local charities that can help out with foodstuffs as well.
Yes i did use my own money for food sometimes but I didn't use my food stamps to try and buy pizza. I actually purchased necessities to make my food stamps last. I didn't piss them away on bs. No it was a wad of $20 I was standing right next to her.
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posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: wantsome

gee, I wonder if those bright intelligent lawmakers took into account that if one has their utilities included in their rent, their rent is usually quite higher? So they really don't have any savings from chosing to have their untilities included to shift over to food expense, matter of fact, they might have less. But well, it's the kind of stupidity that I would expect to find coming from our elected officials...

did they give any justitfication for this, I would love to hear their reasoning.

I'm calling my state rep to ask her why she signed the bill and praised it. I'm going to bring up the point you made about my gas being included in rent. My state rep is a Democrat. This bill was nothing more than to cut back numbers to make themselves look good. Then they can say look food stamp numbers dropped.



posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Can you define The "right wing left wing thing, like I say, I wasn't born in US main land and didn't go to school and college here I was born and raise in PR still an American born.

See people like to use stereotypes when it comes to their views of behavior toward politics, religion and so on, I don't like that because most of often shows that if you don't fall in the preconceptions of views (an inherited trait of what family values teach the very young) of a particular person you are not part of that club, it encourage division.

So I am I, no like you, human like you but with a mind of my own.


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posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

You know that the reason they do not take any of that in consideration is because the elite Richistanis in Richistan land never have to think on how much they will spend in needs to survive from month to month, that is not even in their vocabulary. After all when they are low in their wealth they just force the tax payer to bail them out, we the working class are not so lucky.




posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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Is funny, because actually during Clinton many people including my husband and I started to flourish economically to take a hit during Bush Jr. and now just getting ok under Obama even when during Obama first term my husband for the first time in his working life was lay off of 4 months. We survived without government assistance.



posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: wantsome

gee, I wonder if those bright intelligent lawmakers took into account that if one has their utilities included in their rent, their rent is usually quite higher? So they really don't have any savings from chosing to have their untilities included to shift over to food expense, matter of fact, they might have less. But well, it's the kind of stupidity that I would expect to find coming from our elected officials...

did they give any justitfication for this, I would love to hear their reasoning.



Utilities are included in rent because some tenants don't have checking accounts, credit cards, or the ability to actually get accounts with the utility companies.



posted on Jul, 19 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Xtrozero

Is funny, because actually during Clinton many people including my husband and I started to flourish economically to take a hit during Bush Jr. and now just getting ok under Obama even when during Obama first term my husband for the first time in his working life was lay off of 4 months. We survived without government assistance.



I've been gainfully employed for the last 17 years or so without a hitch, but I can say this was my experience as well ... Democratic President, economy goes up, Republican President, economy goes down.

It's a complex consideration though, and to make it purely partisan, I think, would be inaccurate.

EDITED TO ADD: It's becoming obvious to me in this thread that I have mischaracterized your general positions on the issues in my head. Beg pardon for posting inaccurate critiques of your posts; I'll try to do better!

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