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What is faith to you?
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: WarminIndy
What is faith to you?
You posted it a few pages ago... Belief and trust in what he said...
And he did not say "Faith alone"... the doctrine of Jesus is clearly Faith + works = salvation
Not faith alone...
"The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. 24"Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world
Jesus is our Lord and Master, but the truth is not all of us are clean.
we have a responsibility for being servants, because we are not greater than He who sent us
Sorry, I spaced out while reading that.
I'm not as ignorant as you'd like to paint me to be, but - nice try. You just posted the same stuff. I was "churched" as a kid, don't forget. A Christian - an Episcopalian. I was baptized as an infant, I have godparents, I attended Sunday School, I was confirmed at age 12 or whatever, and married in a church. So, as far as my family and church was concerned, I am part of the Christian community. You might not like the doctrines or methods of the particular Christian Faith that my mom had us participate in - but that doesn't make me less of a person than you.
This is my point conversations with you are pointless because your not here to change your mind if the information requires it..you simply believe what suits you best.
And you are here to.....
To "change my mind." You don't want a "conversation" - you want to lecture me. And you are right in one way - that I am not here to let a Bible thumper change my mind.
If you don't want to do good works, then don't. Just keep saying "I believe, so I am saved." Because that's such a big help to society.
This issue is hotly debated amongst many, many Christians. Stop trying to make it like I'm the only one who thinks the way I do. If you want people to feel like crap while they're alive and burn in hell after they die, simply because they didn't "join your team", that's on you. If you want to be lazy and not do anything for others, that's also on you
I don't want any part of it. And I don't believe Jesus would have, either. It's COMPLETELY self-serving, not compassionate participation in the plight of humanity. You are interested only in YOUR outcome.
What was the problem with Judas? Can you sit here and tell me that we are all clean, when even Jesus said Himself one day He will say "I never knew you". And to whom did He say will that be said to?
How can we all be clean when even Jesus says that not all who call Him Lord will make it in?
It's one thing to say you are a Christian and you have all the faith in the world, but what good is it when you don't even care about someone else?
Yes, it is our responsibility, because that is one of the things we will be judged for. Are you a Calvinist? You just told us about Limited Atonement.
Now Jesus says I never knew you to people who were preforming Good works, and offer good works as the reason Jesus should let them in to heaven.