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And GOD said....and JESUS said...and MARK said....and JOHN said and the BIBLE said and the TORAH said and the 10 commandments said?
I'll restate it just to make sure...my position is that Good works become a consistent choice for Christians solely because of the work they allow Christ to do inside of them.
You started this thread but its clear you don't know anything about how we got the Bible.
Ah! I see. You weren't talking to me, but I would venture to say that it's perfectly possible that my early Episcopalian (Protestant/Church of England) upbringing, along with the baptism I got as an infant, and the Sunday School and the confirmation - that all of that is why I decide to do good?
First imo, baptism of an infant is silly as the child is not even old enough to make the choice to get baptized and understand what it means.
I don't think my age tells you anything about me.
You asked my age for what?
So you could pretend to speak with authority because your older. Give me a break.
What were the vows and do they mean anything to you?
To determine your level of maturity.
I speak with experience. More than twice as much as yours...with an intense interest in this very subject when I was your age and began this journey.
Please don't think that I believe you haven't learned somethings thru out the years that I have yet to come across, but I don't think it gives you any authority in a conversation. If you have information that shows that what your saying is objectively true please present it. I will not just accept information as accurate though I don't work that way there has to be sufficient reason.
You say you have all these things figured out, but what is the evidence of their validity ?
What is the evidence that what you think you know is actual knowledge?
Are you a Calvinist? You just told us about Limited Atonement.
The key components of Quietism, as it has traditionally been characterised, are that man's highest perfection consists of a self-annihilation, and subsequent absorption, of the soul into the Divine, even during the present life. In this way, the mind is withdrawn from worldly interests to passively and constantly contemplate God. Quietists would say that the Bible describes the man of God as a man of the tent and the altar only, having no part or interest in the multitudinous affairs, pursuits, and pleasures of the world system.
Wikipedia - Quietism
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
Again I don't think responsibility is the word we need to use here. Jesus didn't have a responsibility to save(wash) mankind. Jesus simply loves mankind and followed up on the action. Jesus was not obligated to extend the gift of salvation to us. As I said in the post you responded to...Jesus sculpts the Christian into something Good, and therefore loving actions should come out Christians solely based on the work Christ does inside of them. Meaning we do Good simply because we are in the process of becoming something Good.
Considering everything you've said on this page, how is it that you can believe in the doctrine of "faith alone" Knowing full well that God will judge your actions in life?
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Rex282
Every person perception of “life” is different because of their experiences and how they perceive and act upon them.None are exempt from this process of the BS religion.
Try thinking of religion as a subroutine which accesses the database of experiences. Not the whole self image but the elements of significance, become arranged in patterns.
originally posted by: pthena
None can extract their religion from themselves.
But it can be modified through rearrangement of the elements of experience within the database.
In my opinion, this can take place through social religion in interaction with other people. It is not insanity when consensual reality is consistent with consensual reality.
According to Emory University’s Philippe Rochat, there are five levels of self-awareness which unfold in early development and six potential prospects ranging from "Level 0" (having no self-awareness) advancing complexity to "Level 5" (explicit self-awareness).
Level 0: Confusion. At this level the individual has a degree of zero self-awareness. This person is unaware of any mirror reflection or the mirror itself. They perceive the mirror as an extension of their environment. Level 0 can also be displayed when an adult frightens themselves in a mirror mistaking their own reflection as another person just for a second.
Level 1: Differentiation. The individual realizes the mirror is able to reflect things. They see that what is in the mirror is different from what is surrounding them. At this level one can differentiate between their own movement in the mirror and the movement of the surrounding environment.
Level 2: Situation. At this point an individual can link the movements on the mirror to what is perceived within their own body. This is the first hint of self-exploration on a projected surface where what is visualized on the mirror is special to the self.
Level 3: Identification. The individual finds out that recognition takes effect. One can now see that what’s in the mirror is not another person but it is actually themselves. It is seen when a child refers to them self while looking in the mirror instead of referring to the mirror while referring to themselves. They have now identified self
Level 4: Permanence. Once an individual reaches this level they can identify the self beyond the present mirror imagery. They are able to identify the self in previous pictures looking different or younger. A "permanent self" is now experienced.
Level 5: Self-consciousness or "meta" self-awareness. At this level not only is the self seen from a first person view but its realized that it’s also seen from a third person’s view. They begin to understand they can be in the mind of others. For instance, how they are seen from a public standpoint.
The network is too big and complicated.Mans purpose is to “live” their life not be an IT tech of their life.Change of character comes when life is experienced be it beneficial or not because that is the nature of mankind.
I prefer them to be compelled by their religions morals and ethics to not do their characters dirty deeds that are not moral or ethical.The earth would truly be mass chaos without that constraint.