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originally posted by: abe froman
Michael "Kramer" Richards used racially offensive ,material in a comedy routine and liberals/democrats/etc nailed him to the wall. The outrage was palpable and it was driven down everyone's throats .
In my opinion that makes you a bunch of racist hypocrites.
He (and all of you) should be ashamed of yourselves.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: abe froman
Were you offended? Poor thing!
I thought his jokes were pretty funny! The anger-translator skit, not so much, but I certainly wasn't offended. Luther was speaking "angry black man" slang... Of course it's going to contain some "lily-white ass" reference.
It's innocent comedy, not cops killing people for running while black. Lighten up.
originally posted by: hearows
a reply to: grandmakdw
Only speech which intends to incite or advocate violence against a group is considered hate speech, last I knew, and if it's meant to immediately provoke violence it's not protected speech.
Now, the inception of this distinction was when KKK members would burn crosses on folks lawns, that's not protected speech, it's more of a threat.
Now, socially, it's come to include certain words associated with violence (n word, f word)
There ARE no equivalents for those words for certain groups, and no history of hate speech prompting violence against them. The only hypocrisy I see here is trying to compare those in the powerful majority with those historically discriminated against by the government and targeted for violence.
Also
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: grandmakdw
And the story from the seventies that is purely anecdotal and could never be verified adds to what?
Your continued assumption of things i guess...?
originally posted by: tigertatzen
Two things:
1. It wasn't funny, you're right. It wasn't funny simply because well...he's not a comedian, and it doesn't look like he needs to embark on that career path any time soon.
2. The term "lily white ass" is not referring to skin color. It is used to describe someone who feels that they are above reproach, blameless, purely innocent, holier-than-thou. Listen to what he says directly before, about not caring what the press says about him. He's making a statement about hypocrisy, not race. Barack Obama is biracial, born to a white mother. It is quite a bit of an overreach to assert that he was being racist just because he used (or had his silly "translator" use) an old-fashioned term that really doesn't pertain to skin color at all.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
Revenge in the name of getting back at the oppressor is still revenge;
and does nothing but create hatred and division and is NEVER justified.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
I'm just dishing back what the left does to people, and you guys can't take a tiny dose of your own medicine.
originally posted by: intrepid
originally posted by: grandmakdw
Revenge in the name of getting back at the oppressor is still revenge;
and does nothing but create hatred and division and is NEVER justified.
Really? And yet we have this:
originally posted by: grandmakdw
I'm just dishing back what the left does to people, and you guys can't take a tiny dose of your own medicine.
Sorry if I don't believe you. It's either an inability, or lack of desire, to understand humor.
I am sorry that happened to you, it is truly bizarre. But it has nothing to do with the 'Left'. It is a weird thing that happened in one place.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: hearows
a reply to: grandmakdw
Only speech which intends to incite or advocate violence against a group is considered hate speech, last I knew, and if it's meant to immediately provoke violence it's not protected speech.
Now, the inception of this distinction was when KKK members would burn crosses on folks lawns, that's not protected speech, it's more of a threat.
Now, socially, it's come to include certain words associated with violence (n word, f word)
There ARE no equivalents for those words for certain groups, and no history of hate speech prompting violence against them. The only hypocrisy I see here is trying to compare those in the powerful majority with those historically discriminated against by the government and targeted for violence.
Also
Were you one of the college students in the 1970's who locked me and other military brats in a classroom until we declared we were racist because we were white?
That is what you sound like.
True story, very very true story.
The high school I graduated from was newly integrated the first year I attended there.
I grew up in the military, all integrated housing, neighborhoods, schools, until, I went to the horrific place I graduated from.
The school was awash with hatred and violence from both local whites and blacks with the new integration.
We military kids were shocked by all of it.
The local college sent in students to give us sensitivity training.
Well, I and other white kids were kept in a classroom and not allowed to leave until we admitted we were racist.
I, along with other military kids refused.
We were kept there and badgered about how terrible we were because we were white and how we had to be evil oppressors because we were white and we'd better admit it if we wanted out, or to eat or drink.
The end of day bell was what got me and the other military kids finally out of the sensitivity training.
You sound to me exactly like those college students who were trying to force us to say we were racist. And in the process did a great deal of psychological damage and race relations damage in the long run.
I refused then and I refuse now to accept that there must be a double standard
and that because of my skin color I have to be
an ugly, evil, oppressor,
and can be verbally assaulted because of it
and have to take it;
and that people with other skin colors can be as ugly to me as they wish because I am the oppressor,
because I never was and never will be,
and I'll sit in the proverbial classroom without food and drink and
refuse to say I am racist
or that I am to accept being attacked for my race
because of something my ancestors did long long ago.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.
originally posted by: reldra
I am sorry that happened to you, it is truly bizarre. But it has nothing to do with the 'Left'. It is a weird thing that happened in one place.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: hearows
a reply to: grandmakdw
Only speech which intends to incite or advocate violence against a group is considered hate speech, last I knew, and if it's meant to immediately provoke violence it's not protected speech.
Now, the inception of this distinction was when KKK members would burn crosses on folks lawns, that's not protected speech, it's more of a threat.
Now, socially, it's come to include certain words associated with violence (n word, f word)
There ARE no equivalents for those words for certain groups, and no history of hate speech prompting violence against them. The only hypocrisy I see here is trying to compare those in the powerful majority with those historically discriminated against by the government and targeted for violence.
Also
Were you one of the college students in the 1970's who locked me and other military brats in a classroom until we declared we were racist because we were white?
That is what you sound like.
True story, very very true story.
The high school I graduated from was newly integrated the first year I attended there.
I grew up in the military, all integrated housing, neighborhoods, schools, until, I went to the horrific place I graduated from.
The school was awash with hatred and violence from both local whites and blacks with the new integration.
We military kids were shocked by all of it.
The local college sent in students to give us sensitivity training.
Well, I and other white kids were kept in a classroom and not allowed to leave until we admitted we were racist.
I, along with other military kids refused.
We were kept there and badgered about how terrible we were because we were white and how we had to be evil oppressors because we were white and we'd better admit it if we wanted out, or to eat or drink.
The end of day bell was what got me and the other military kids finally out of the sensitivity training.
You sound to me exactly like those college students who were trying to force us to say we were racist. And in the process did a great deal of psychological damage and race relations damage in the long run.
I refused then and I refuse now to accept that there must be a double standard
and that because of my skin color I have to be
an ugly, evil, oppressor,
and can be verbally assaulted because of it
and have to take it;
and that people with other skin colors can be as ugly to me as they wish because I am the oppressor,
because I never was and never will be,
and I'll sit in the proverbial classroom without food and drink and
refuse to say I am racist
or that I am to accept being attacked for my race
because of something my ancestors did long long ago.