Obama Calls For End To LGBT Conversion Therapy

a reply to: Seamrog

What about the 20 year old in LA who raped a three year old. Would you agree that he just had desires and put his penis where he saw fit?

Think, woman. Think first, then post.

Where did I ever give you the impression that I think child abuse is okay? Abuse yourself anyway you like!

originally posted by: Seamrog
Human beings are more than sex.

And sex is more than procreation.

This is a novel concept today, but two generations ago, and two eons before it, this was the norm.

Yeah, because kinky sex and sex other than missionary position to make a child never happened until recently right??? Spare me your childish version of history man. This prudish, repressed version of sexuality was created by Man and Religion to control people and how they behave against 'what came natural to them'.

The obsession with genitalia is a modern reality.

You're the one explaining about how a penis goes in a vagina as if that is what sex is all about, not me. I'm speaking of things well beyond simple genital stimulation.

I do marvel at how often homosexualists compare themselves to rutting animals while failing to connect the dots.

I get the feeling that you probably marvel at what homosexuals are up to quite often actually. I however am not homosexual if that is what you're implying. But your comparison does show how deeply mental you are when it comes to this topic.

Dogs don't sit in front of computers masturbating, or give each other hand jobs in public parks or rest stops. Never seen a dog fellating another dog, or lowering himself to sodomy with another dog. Never seen a dog with sex toys or condoms.

Wonder why that is?

Only because dog's don't use computers, can't understand sex toys or know how to give hand jobs otherwise they'd be sitting right next to you doing those very same things.

Primates choose primate porno over treats though. Oddly enough male primates will often choose female porn over food as well as other pics or video of other male primates who display leadership characteristics and alpha status over food too when given the chance.

Wonder why that is??

a reply to: windword

You make my point for me...you can't follow the logic of your own thought.


When you make a statement like you did, it logically follows that if a man wants to put his penis in a light socket, or a three year old, or you, he can.


Simply because he wants to.


I know you were trying to say if a man wants to sodomize another man, he can if wants to.


You fail to understand what that means.


I was pointing it out to you.

a reply to: windword

double post

a reply to: mOjOm

You have no idea how beautiful sex can be.

You cheapen it, demean it and use it.

I pity people like you who have missed out on so much, because of your self-obsession.

Carry on however you see fit...sleep in a slimy pile of rutting filth. No matter how much you do it, or proclaim it, or celebrate it, it will never equal the beauty of sex between a loving husband and wife in a committed relationship that is open to the gift of Life.

Sorry.

a reply to: Seamrog

Hey where does it say gay folk are all bad etc in the bible? what did jesus say also?.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: redhorse



So, here goes, I don't generally hear your claim of de facto bisexuality from homosexuals. Indeed, my friends have gone to great lengths to convince me that they are actually disgusted by the anatomy of the opposite sex.



*Price equation

I did not say de facto bisexuality. I said it was a continuum with those who would self identify as "straight" or "gay" falling somewhere on that continuum. Plenty of people are Very Homosexual and plenty of people are Very Heterosexual.

I think that anecdotal evidence should not be just discounted and I also have some sympathy for the assertion that psychology is "pseudoscience", there is some validity to that criticism; but I will still go with a peer reviewed study before I go with your sample of 20 (on the generous end). The research says that you are wrong and many people who identify as homosexual are, at least on occasion, sexually attracted to someone of the opposite gender. Even further, many people that identify as heterosexual are on occasion sexually attracted to someone of the same gender (although this is reported more often from women than from men).

Having said that, when I "came out" in college (yes, I have a dog in this hunt) I was welcomed into the "gay community". It was a relief. Until they figured out that I was going to stick with my designation of bisexual. I got a lot of pressure to pick Team Lesbian. It would have been easier. I would have had a lot more support if I had done so.

I have known a lot more than 20 homosexual people and had in depth conversations with many of them about sexuality and while there were many who would profess disgust at the opposite gender, it wasn't most of them. Even among those that did, some (please note the "some", I'm not making all-inclusive statements here) would, if pressed on the matter, admit that they had on occasion been sexually attracted to someone of the opposite gender. In contrast to your own, my anecdotal experience backs up the research, but then again, maybe they were just telling me what they thought I wanted to hear. There are a lot of nebulous social factors that go into what people will or won't report to their friends and acquaintances and much of that is not always readily apparent.

a reply to: Seamrog



You said that penis in vagina is the only normal/natural kind of sex there is. My rebuttal was that men find all kinds of natural and creative way to get what they need without a vagina.

I never ever suggested that those creative ways to relieve sexual urges should include rape. That's a separate topic and has nothing to do with the topic of this thread or the nature of homosexuality.

This thread is about the child abuse that is associated with gay conversion therapy, not about how you choose to get your rocks off!

originally posted by: Seamrog

You have no idea how beautiful sex can be.

You cheapen it, demean it and use it.

I pity people like you who have missed out on so much, because of your self-obsession.

Carry on however you see fit...sleep in a slimy pile of rutting filth. No matter how much you do it, or proclaim it, or celebrate it, it will never equal the beauty of sex between a loving husband and wife in a committed relationship that is open to the gift of Life.

Sorry.

You don't know anything about me. You were implying I was homosexual just two seconds ago. The reality is I'm a middle aged man who's been with the woman I love for over 15 years and still happy together. So don't tell me about what the f*ck I'm doing in that area ok.

As far as feeling sorry for me, save it along with any prayers you might have for me or my soul as well because I don't need your 1st century ideals or your dogmatic forgiveness or mythical magical father figures to plot my life for me.

What I do you might find filthy for all know. It wouldn't shock me being that everything other than "Penis in Vagina to make baby" seems to be the extent of your knowledge. But I'll tell ya one thing, I'd much rather enjoy what you might consider filthy rather than live a life of your bland, lights off, only for making babies, repressed Omish sex you seem to limit yourself with.

a reply to: Seamrog

Have you ever lived in a place where you could be arrested for being with the person you loved?

I was, until 2003. It was that backward place called "the United States of America."

Also, humorously "the land of the free."

Have you ever been called perverted, disgusting, and the equivalent of a child molester because of the innate feelings you have for significant others?

I have, today.

You didn't have to come out as straight because no one has ever beaten the crap out of someone for "being straight" or tortured them and tied them to a fence in the middle of nowhere to die choking on their own blood ... for being straight.

It is not me or anyone else who is gay/lesbian/bi/trans* who made our sexual orientation an issue, it was people like you in society.

And for the record, I don't spend ANY time here on my sexual identity.

I spend time here correcting lies and gross misunderstandings and trying to get people to base their lives on evidence rather than belief.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Seamrog

Hey where does it say gay folk are all bad etc in the bible? what did jesus say also?.

The bible is literally filled with reference to the evil of sin, and the consequences of sin.

If you have a bible, open it up to Matthew. Start there. You will find lots of things Jesus said about sin, and what sin does to man.

You will even find forgiveness of sin is possible - even freely given to those who repent and seek forgiveness.

Go - see!

a reply to: Seamrog

No I would like you to point them out.
Because the book where it says things about them says a lot of other things in I wonder If you agree with those also or are you a cherry picking christian? hiding your bigotry behind a book?.

a reply to: Seamrog

Jesus never said that love is a sin.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Seamrog

You said that penis in vagina is the only normal/natural kind of sex there is.

I didn't say that, but I do agree with the statement.

I was asked for scientific proof of ordered sex.

My post did in fact do that - it was you that took it in a twisted tangent.

Someone points that out you and look how you react!

I am glad the logic of your claims is sinking in for you.

Reflect on that.

a reply to: boymonkey74

He's waffling because he knows that Jesus Christ never said one word about homosexuality or bisexuality or gender identity.

He knows he's got to go to the Pentapuke or to Paul ... and he knows that there's all kinds of other "sins" that wrap up anything to do with homosexuals.

Or ... maybe he's afraid someone will drop a house on him. /shrug

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Seamrog

Jesus never said that love is a sin.

Did Jesus not tell the woman at the well "Go, and SIN no more?"

Hum.

a reply to: Seamrog

Why are you here?

Why are you posting this garbage that we've all heard over and over.

The topic here is not what you think about homosexuality according to your book of nursery rhymes.

The topic here is a Federal ban on child abuse, that you yourself have stood up for.

So let's narrow it down; you're in favor of child abuse.

That's the real issue here, as well as being on topic.

originally posted by: mOjOm


You don't know anything about me.

I know something about you by the things you say on this website.

I know you are an angry person, whose anger gets stirred up easily when someone posts about sex or religion in a way that makes you uncomfortable.

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Seamrog

Jesus never said that love is a sin.

Did Jesus not tell the woman at the well "Go, and SIN no more?"

Hum.

Yeah, He also said judge that you not be judged ... but obviously you missed Sunday School that day.

So, let's talk about your defense of child abuse ... shall we?

a reply to: Seamrog

Let's talk about what's natural and unnatural. There is nothing more Unnatural than "The Bible" when it comes to human activity.

It's a Book(not found in nature), written by Man in Man's created Language that describes the Natural world. That is the most Unnatural, fabricated, manufactured, artificial construct ever beyond any doubt.

Complete with magical events and impossible stories lacking any repeat occurrences, any supporting evidence or any possibility to be honestly believed by a rational mind. Yet that is what far too many people use to define reality for themselves regardless of the massive ways in which Real Life and Religion oppose each other.

Is there any wonder why what seems "Natural" to some is so foreign and misunderstood.