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We don't know that.
I personally don't believe you HAVE TO believe in a god. I would just prefer you remain honest about how you define your beliefs if you do (in whatever context that might be).
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Annee
I rely heavily each day on my intuition and empathy, which are two less fabulous descriptions of what many call 'psychic' powers.
Are you ever amazed at how the wildest heretics inevitably become the eventual enforcers for orthodoxy?
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: Kukri
I consider myself an Atheist. Not because I don't believe in God or a divine being but simply because I don't know what to believe. When and if I experience some sort of enlightenment I'll change my opinion.
Then you should reconsider how you define your beliefs.
By definition, the Universe is all of existence. Your proposing that there's a place that doesn't exist, and you call my beliefs illogical!
I am being honest. It's all semantics. Everyone can believe in a God, so long as they get to define what "God" is. It's a word that's wide open for any interpretation whatsoever.
Why would I do that? Is it because my beliefs don't align with yours?
Until I have proof one way or the other I refuse to commit to anothers' beliefs solely on faith.
Hence we can argue 3 things:
1) If the soul exists, it must have a source
2) If the soul persists after death, it must either go to a prepared (created) place, or return to it's source
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: Gryphon66
These are questions you should be asking "atheists" that believe in the afterlife, not me. I can give you my own opinions, but they are based on my own views as a theist.
It's amazing you don't see the disconnect here...
originally posted by: daskakik
That cuts both ways. Suppose you interact with something that says it is a god, so you call it god...
Not for me.
Great theory and I might even be inclined to give it credit but that still doesn't equal "god".
You're repeatedly intervening in the discussion attempting to force others to respond and correspond with your own terms with your own definitions
Not standard definitions, not generally accepted definitions, but YOUR definitions.
With all respect, don't try to sidestep now ... you want everyone to respond to your questions in your terms, then DEFINE YOUR TERMS.
That is, if you value intellectual honesty. If not ...
I take contention with people who claim they are atheists yet believe in an eternal soul or an afterlife. How can one be an atheist and yet believe in metaphysical concepts such as the soul, given what we know about the observable universe? I think I have demonstrated clearly why there is a logical disconnect between the two concepts.
Talk to the scientists that propose a multiverse, I guess. Your beef is with them, not me.
originally posted by: Lucius Driftwood
a reply to: Prezbo369
That is why radical atheists go out of their way to try and stomp out what they consider religion without realizing they themselves have a religion.
You're describing anti-theists not atheists.
Umm.....so is Richard Dawkins an atheist, an anti-theist, a nihilist or.....and which sect does he adhere to anyway?
I've proven that atheism is just as much of a belief as theism, deism, or any other.
originally posted by: windword
I believe in the Universe, like I outlined earlier. I'm able to enter conversations about the nature of "God" and such, because I can envision a conscious Universe as "God". If I'm conscious, it's my belief that the Universe itself is probably conscious too. If the Universe is eternal, which I believe it is, then I am too, probably. If the Universe is "God", then so am I.